Let the swagging commence, and thanks for your input...

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Fulthrotl

Fulthrotl

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commercial office
3,000 sq. ft. slab on grade

wood studs, open ceilings,
minimal ceiling access in center hallway
no ceiling access in most of the offices.

6 A/C's in roof wells, 30 amp 240 3 phase

200 A 3Ph. 4 wire 120/240 delta...
100 amp single phase 3 wire sub panel

all conduit is 3/4" emt. no MWBC. 3 #12's
per home run.

1/4" x 2" x 2' ground bus in data room
ground bushing on ALL conduits, and flexs
too, for that matter... AC's get a ground bushing.
every.single.one.

#6 and larger shall be hypressed with imprinting
dies, for verification of correct crimp.

data and power home runs: 118. yes, one hundred and eighteen.
in slab.

6,500' 3/4" sch.40 pvc in slab. GRC yard ells coming out of
slab, taped.

200 data and power 4SD boxes total.

all lights are 2 tube pendant mounted wraparounds by metalux.
75 fixtures total. two pendant drops per fixture, most end to end,
and on sloping ceilings, dropped to 9'.

now, the swagging..... how many hours for the whole thing?

i could use some numbers to see where y'all think it would take...
bid time is 9 am tuesday morning......

thanks for any insite you can put on this.....


randy
 
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cdslotz said:
I love how you give us the bid time and date to turn our numbers in.
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i wasn't asking you to do my work for me.... most people can look at something, and
have a rough idea of how long it might take to put it in.

i looked at it and swagged 250 hours......
but please, don't let me trouble you....

anyone who feels deeply violated by my shabby effort to make you do
my work for me, please accept my apologies, ignore this, and move on....
 
Fulthrotl

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stickboy1375 said:
The funny part is the numbers won't mean anything to you.... financially anyway.
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well, it'd a been interesting to know if i was waaayyyy high, or low.....
more curious than anything else.

bid just went in, at 250 hours labor.... the material was breathtaking,
when you have $13 receptacles, and $400 lights. at least the engineer
backed off and just let there be a 3/4" conduit for each data point,
instead of the 1 1/4" he had specified for each data point.... 4,000'
of 1 1/4"... for a lan?

in any event, i left a message with two of the moderators to please
erase this thread in it's entirety, not lock it.

any other moderator running across this, would you please erase
the original post, and all replies, or move it to a parked invisible area,
whichever is easier.... i'd appreciate it.

thank you.
 
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Fulthrotl said:
data and power home runs: 118. yes, one hundred and eighteen.
in slab.

6,500' 3/4" sch.40 pvc in slab. GRC yard ells coming out of
slab, taped.
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That's a lot of home runs for such a small job. Can't afford to make any mistakes, got to keep everything straight. Don't want to cut any concrete or do any repair work.

I'm thinking a lot more than 250 hours. Wire pulling seems to go fast in a small space but the slab work on short runs doesn't add up so fast (6500ft and 118 home runs). It really helps if you have some people that are used to doing slab work.
 
Fulthrotl

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growler said:
That's a lot of home runs for such a small job. Can't afford to make any mistakes, got to keep everything straight. Don't want to cut any concrete or do any repair work.

I'm thinking a lot more than 250 hours. Wire pulling seems to go fast in a small space but the slab work on short runs doesn't add up so fast (6500ft and 118 home runs). It really helps if you have some people that are used to doing slab work.
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yeah, leica makes a true position station you can rent, you take the autocad drawing,
put all your points you want to hit on it, load it into the station, index it, and it puts
every position down on the ground within a quarter inch. you hit two axis, zero it to them
and you can project the whole floorplan out..... i put the rental in the quote.

i'm pretty used to doing slab work...
 
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cdslotz

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Fulthrotl said:
i wasn't asking you to do my work for me.... most people can look at something, and
have a rough idea of how long it might take to put it in.

i looked at it and swagged 250 hours......
but please, don't let me trouble you....

anyone who feels deeply violated by my shabby effort to make you do
my work for me, please accept my apologies, ignore this, and move on....
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I do have a rough idea.
BTW 250 hrs is way low
 
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cdslotz

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Fulthrotl said:
well, it'd a been interesting to know if i was waaayyyy high, or low.....
more curious than anything else.

bid just went in, at 250 hours labor.... the material was breathtaking,
when you have $13 receptacles, and $400 lights. at least the engineer
backed off and just let there be a 3/4" conduit for each data point,
instead of the 1 1/4" he had specified for each data point.... 4,000'
of 1 1/4"... for a lan?

in any event, i left a message with two of the moderators to please
erase this thread in it's entirety, not lock it.

any other moderator running across this, would you please erase
the original post, and all replies, or move it to a parked invisible area,
whichever is easier.... i'd appreciate it.

thank you.
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Why?
Just curious. Did you have a basic floorplan drawing with the electrical design narrative?
 
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Fulthrotl

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cdslotz said:
Why?
Just curious. Did you have a basic floorplan drawing with the electrical design narrative?
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why? why what? that i asked a moderator to remove this thread?

your snarky, bs posts earlier, now that you ask. all i was asking
for was some professional gut checks on, does it feel high or low
on labor, and what i got instead was you just trashing the thread.

as for your assessment that it's way underbid, you just keep
bidding them like that, sunshine.... i'd be happy to bid against
you any day.
 
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cdslotz

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Fulthrotl said:
why? why what? that i asked a moderator to remove this thread?

your snarky, bs posts earlier, now that you ask. all i was asking
for was some professional gut checks on, does it feel high or low
on labor, and what i got instead was you just trashing the thread.

as for your assessment that it's way underbid, you just keep
bidding them like that, sunshine.... i'd be happy to bid against
you any day.
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Wow chill out.
Maybe I was being snarky. But it never ceases to amaze me how many people come on here wanting to know "how much would you do this job for". I don't think that is the intended use of the Estimating part of this forum.
Had you asked, "how would you guys approach this bid", you might get some real useful input.
But you made it sound like you needed a check price to verify your method of estimating.
Just by your insistence that 250 hrs is plenty for that job, I would assume your "method" was thinking 2 men could do this job in 3 weeks. Really?
If I was summarizing a job that only came out to .083 man hrs per sq/ft, I would question myself.
I hope you win the bid. Let me know if I'm all wet.
 
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