Its' probably just another sign of my age, but I will say you are "right-on" with that. It's rare that I find a job where offsets were not made, but when I do, I normally find a high percent of deficiencies with the rest of the job. In fairness, I probably inspect more closely when I see a "non-offset" job.
Box offset or no
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Its' probably just another sign of my age, but I will say you are "right-on" with that. It's rare that I find a job where offsets were not made, but when I do, I normally find a high percent of deficiencies with the rest of the job. In fairness, I probably inspect more closely when I see a "non-offset" job.
...thats half the problem when I open up drop ceilings. Your a professional, let your work reflect that, JMO!
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Half the problem when I pop a ceiling tile is what the phone guys have done.
Any definition of professionalism has to include efficiency. Making things perfect above a drop ceiling is a waste of somebodies money and time; maybe mine, maybe the boss?s, maybe the customer's.
If it don't matter, it don't matter. JMO.
...yea, the 15seconds it takes to make a box offset is a real cost saver. :happysad:
kwired
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So add an hour to your estimates for every 240 offsets you will need to make:happyyes:
...it should be bid to run the conduit properly to begin with, no need to add anything if that is done.
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I am all about giving the customer exactly what they paid for, no less and no more.
If they paid for a Lexus they will get one, if they paid for Kia, they get that too.
Don't give away your skills for free just to show off.
plumb bob
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I whole heartedly believe that every installation is different and calls for different methods and materials. But I don't see omitting offsets in an emt job as "selling a kia", I see it more like selling a car that I know has engine problems. Might work fine now and get down the road, but probably not for the long haul. JMO.
kwired
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I can't necessarily speak for what is current but go back to the old Cadillac's, vs. a Pontiac, or Buick. Same engine may be in all three cars, same base drive train, and many other base parts, the difference in price - especially the Cadillac is the extras or enhanced items that are not in the other cars.
I always refer to Kia as meaning "killed in action":lol: Never even sat in one that I can recall though, maybe they are a great car.
Bob, you and I will never see eye to eye on this issue. If I hire someone to run conduit in a building I own, I would expect it to be level and installed according to industry standard. Just because a contractor wants to save a couple bucks (by not bending box offsets) because they did not bid the job correctly, is not industry standard. Again, you where hired as a professional the work should reflect that. It's kind of sad that they have to put in specs to run conduit 'perpendicular' to building, as some contractors would run diagonally across a room to save 15 or 20 feet of pipe and wire.
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KIA = Kick It Again.
Stevareno
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I like to put in box offsets because I take pride in my work. Also if the inpectors see quality work from the get go, they seem to ease up on the scrutiny for the rest of the job (YMMV).
Does it bother me that other people don't do box offsets? No.
I've seen a LOT worse. :happyyes:
Does it bother me that other people don't do box offsets? No.
I've seen a LOT worse. :happyyes:
Cow
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I have a very hard time believing lack of box offsets INSIDE A WALL will cause an electrical failure "in the long haul".
plumb bob
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Well, I was refering more to the original post, which was about exposed work, not INSIDE A WALL. But it is still my opinion that conduit systems stand a better chance of remaining intact and preventing an electrical failure if it they are bent properly and fit together without strain at fittings and couplings.
kwired
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That is a good attitude to have about it in some ways. Many raceways I find that are have broken fittings may not have broken if proper securing and supporting would have been used. Now the die cast fittings do break easily compared to steel, I have found raceways pulled out of steel fittings though that may not have done so with better securing/supporting, or simply choosing better routing of the raceway. EMT in areas where something like a fork lift frequently operates will never be installed secure enough - even if concrete encased in some instances.
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