DELETEING INSTALLED RECPT.

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If you were doing commercial work and you had installed say 15 receptacles with all the branch etc. and they were now removed on a drawing(change order) what would the electricina more than likely do? Does the recept get removed and a blank cover put on? What happens to the branch wiring? Does it just get taped and left in the box? I know you might say to get specific direction form GC etc. but I am asking what others have most commonly done. Thanks.
 
I suggest sending them a change order to remove them all the way back to the PB they are fed from. That will almost certainly result in a decision that they can stay. Why would they want to remove receptacles that are already there anyway? They won't hurt anything, even if they are never used.
 
To me there is no general right answer. It all depends on type of construction and "why" they're being deleted. It seems to me you could price yourself out of an easy extra if you get too carried away without asking for more info.
 
If the change order prints shows them gone, then they need to be gone because the drawings are the official documentation.
Was the area where the deleted recepts clouded on the drawing?
Was there any written description of the changes? If so, what did it say?
 
petersonra said:
I suggest sending them a change order to remove them all the way back to the PB they are fed from. That will almost certainly result in a decision that they can stay. Why would they want to remove receptacles that are already there anyway? They won't hurt anything, even if they are never used.
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Actually they are moving them/some to different locations but the box can't be removed so then why happens??? Blank cover???
 
cdslotz said:
If the change order prints shows them gone, then they need to be gone because the drawings are the official documentation.
Was the area where the deleted recepts clouded on the drawing?
Was there any written description of the changes? If so, what did it say?
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Area is bubbled and not written description ... No written descprition just drawings.
 
horsegoer said:
Area is bubbled and not written description ... No written descprition just drawings.
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At what stage is the project... drywall up, taped, finished, painted, trimmed out, etc.?

If moving some and not others, how will the "some" be moved?

Estimate the costs doing it different ways...

How an electrician would do it isn't necessarily the way the owner wants to pay for it!!!
 
Usually they get deleted do to a change or oops! In the architectural drawing, some thing may be covering that area where the outlets are presently located, they may have to be removed totally, which means change order.
 
horsegoer said:
Area is bubbled and not written description ... No written descprition just drawings.
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Were the old recpts gone within the bubble?
If they are, you need to figure labor to remove, modify boxes, conduit, etc, IN THAT CHANGE ORDER.
You won't be given the opportunity to do that separate.
 
If you installed them according to approved drawings, you are done. Anything after that is a $$change order$$. Do what ever they want with them. Remove the device and cap off wires and blank plate...... remove the device, box and cable or conduit/wire back to next j-box........ remove everything back to panel. Let them make the call and document everything, including your time to price out and execute the change.
 
btharmy said:
If you installed them according to approved drawings, you are done. Anything after that is a $$change order$$. Do what ever they want with them. Remove the device and cap off wires and blank plate...... remove the device, box and cable or conduit/wire back to next j-box........ remove everything back to panel. Let them make the call and document everything, including your time to price out and execute the change.
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Thanks
 
btharmy said:
If you installed them according to approved drawings....
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Most of us know what you meant, but just to clarify, that should be the drawings used to establish the contract. This is just to differentiate that revised drawings should also be approved drawings. The contract should also have a clause, or clauses regarding how changes are to be handled.
 
Thats why his name is Smart $,he is correct it should all be covered in the original contract if not then thats a different story. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,and yes every revised document that reaches the construction site via a document tranmittal is official and is approved by some one.

dick
 
dicklaxt said:
Thats why his name is Smart $,he is correct it should all be covered in the original contract if not then thats a different story. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,and yes every revised document that reaches the construction site via a document tranmittal is official and is approved by some one.

dick
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Yes, that is true. However, if the revised drawing reaches the jobsite or computer of the e.c. after the original "approved" installation is complete, the e.c. has no choice than to charge extra to remove or relocate the installation. Otherwise, we would all go broke moving things around for free with no end in sight.
 
btharmy said:
Yes, that is true. However, if the revised drawing reaches the jobsite or computer of the e.c. after the original "approved" installation is complete, the e.c. has no choice than to charge extra to remove or relocate the installation. Otherwise, we would all go broke moving things around for free with no end in sight.
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Agreed.

However, there are also instances where revised 'approved' drawings reach the site before the original "approved" installation is complete. In this case, there should be no change order unless it involves extra material and labor cost to the contractor... and again, how this is to be handled should be spelled out in the contract.
 
btharmy said:
Yes, that is true. However, if the revised drawing reaches the jobsite or computer of the e.c. after the original "approved" installation is complete, the e.c. has no choice than to charge extra to remove or relocate the installation. Otherwise, we would all go broke moving things around for free with no end in sight.
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This borders on a scope change and you are within your right to go for more time and money

dick
 
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