Submersible pump cable

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Dennis Alwon

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Well then something does seem to be amiss but I never megged anything so I will let the experts handle this. At least this will bump you to the top.
 

Phil Corso

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DaytonE...

1) What is cable-type: 1xc conductors; 3x1 conductorc: or 3/c Flat?

2) Are you able to measure ph-ph R and X from one end with other end shorted?

Regards, Phil Corso
 
The cable is flat with orentation G-A-B-C. So the A that has the low resistance is the closet to the G Conductor. At first they megged A-.5 mohm, B-1.5 mohm, and C-1.5 mohm. So I cut off the older ends of the conductors that had been exposed origanly to see if that would help and that is when the readings improved but I was still unsure of the readings. Yes I both ends are accessible to test.

Thank You
Steve
 

Phil Corso

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DaytonE...

3) Have you done a visual inspection of the entire length for physical anomalies!

4) Do you have line-ampere measurements when unit was in operation! Caveat... because of the Flat configuration readings will be asymmetrical!

5) Are you unable to measure R and X as suggested earlier?

6) I suggest you try drying-out the cable for say 12-24 hrs. Do you need help with procedure?

Regards, Phil
 
Because it is flat is what I thought may be causeing the differance in readings. I just am not sure what they should be. I have reserched what should be good and bad for a megger test and at around 60 ohms on the A conductor the cable should be good. What I am not sure about is the big differance from the A conductor to the B and C conductors.

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Steve
 

G._S._Ohm

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The cable is flat with orentation G-A-B-C.
So A-G has two layers of insulation between conductors, B-G has four and C-G has six, so I'd expect the readings to vary in the ratio 2:4:6 or 1:2:3 assuming all conductors are separately insulated.

There are also A-B, A-C and B-C, which 'should' vary as 2:4:2.

With an uninsulated ground you 'should' get
AG 1
BG 3
CG 5
AB 2
AC 4
BC 2
 
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Phil Corso

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Steve...

The different Megger readings should have nothing to do with conductor asymmetry!

I suggested the R and X measurements to see if the conductors' physical/electrical charateristics were altered!

If the 3 readings, after dry-out are similar, then water ingress is/was at fault!

9) What was the motor's insulation reading?

BTW, can you provide Hp and Voltage?
 

Phil Corso

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Steve...

GS Ohm's approach certainly has merit! But, it only works if one is able to plot leakage-current, vs time! The following discussion may help:

An IR test involving the application of a DC voltage and measuring leakage-current over time can be used to assess IR quality. For example, had you tested two cables of equal length but different insulation thickness, the thicker one would require a longer test-time. Following is a brief explanation.

When testing insulation resistance, R=E/I, where E is the applied DC voltage, and I the observed leakage-current. Omitting temperature and humidity factors, then, what other time-related factors are there? The time to reach a certain current magnitude through leakage-paths over the insulation surface, and through the insulation's volume. Three current components are present; one transient and two steady-state:

1. Capacitance Charging Current: Contrary to popular belief, while it starts out high, it decays relatively quickly; in the order of tenths of seconds.

2. Absorption Current: It too starts high, but then decays over a period involving minutes.

3. Leakage Current: It is essentially a small but constant current both over and through.

Steve, I don't know if this will solve your specific problem... but it might answer a future "Why!"
 
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