bradleymattlin
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I have a customer that build a horse barn and is located at his residence. Is a horse barn considered a dwelling. Reason is for sizing feeders off table 310.15 or use table 310.16.
Horse barn
- Thread starter bradleymattlin
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I would say only if the trainer or a handler sleeps with the horses overnight.
bradleymattlin
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Lol. Yeah I agree it's just weird because upstairs is a place for company parties with apartment and bottom is the horse barn. But was just seeing what other electricians thoughts were.
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- New Jersey
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If it's a feeder then it would need to supply the entire service load or you cannot use 310.15.
I've not seen anyone accept anything other than 310.16 ratings.
Locally there's always a bit of a problem as to how they are wired. Few inspectors enforce all of Art 547 (such as bond grid), but often require Art 547 wiring methods. It might warrant a phone call to your inspector.
Locally there's always a bit of a problem as to how they are wired. Few inspectors enforce all of Art 547 (such as bond grid), but often require Art 547 wiring methods. It might warrant a phone call to your inspector.
bradleymattlin
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It's a brand new service with its own meter.
shortcircuit2
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You better use table 310.15(B)(16) 2011 NEC for the service. A horse barn is not a dwelling. A horse is a horse, of course, of course...follow the wiring methods in article 547.5 for the livestock and dusty areas of the barn.
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- Placerville, CA, USA
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- Retired PV System Designer
But there is an apartment upstairs, so you could argue that it is a dwelling with horses downstairs. Just like an attached garage only old fashioned. The AHJ may not buy that though, so why take chances.
ptonsparky
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If they can afford a horse barn with a party room they can afford bigger wires.
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- Tennessee NEC:2017
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Not that it will change anything regarding 310.15 or 310.16, but if the barn has it's own service, the conductors are service conductors, not feeders.
wirebender
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Dwelling Unit. A single unit, providing complete and independent
living facilities for one or more persons, including
permanent provisions for living, sleeping, cooking, and sanitation.
If it fits this definition then yes.
kwired
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But there is an apartment upstairs, so you could argue that it is a dwelling with horses downstairs. Just like an attached garage only old fashioned. The AHJ may not buy that though, so why take chances.
The entire structure is not a dwelling so you can't use 310.15(B)(7) for the service conductors.
If there is a dwelling unit within the structure, any feeder supplying that entire dwelling unit load, and only the entire dwelling unit load, can be sized with 310.15(B)(7).
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