AFCI for Dining room recepts. from existing Kitchen?

[ritelec]

The existing residential kitchen has 20 a appliance circs brought to it. There are junction boxes in the basement for these circs.
I would like to add receptacles in the dining room from these/this circuit.
Will I be able to come from one of these junction boxes to the new dining room receptacle, install an afci at that receptacle point, and load out to a few other new receptacles
installed in that dining room, and satisfy the requirements for extending existing circuits being afci protected?

Thank you

 

[jumper]

As I read it-nope.

210.12(B) Branch Circuit Extensions or Modifications ? Dwelling
Units. In any of the areas specified in 210.12(A), where
branch-circuit wiring is modified, replaced, or extended, the
branch circuit shall be protected by one of the following:
(1) A listed combination-type AFCI located at the origin of
the branch circuit
(2) A listed outlet branch-circuit type AFCI located at the
first receptacle outlet of the existing branch circuit

 

[mjf]

Agree.

 

[ritelec]

Darn..........why not............

Thanks gents

 

[ritelec]

A thought.........would this work.
Install the AFCI recept AT(in) the junction box.........right !

 

[ritelec]

Nope............at origin....or first recpt.... hold on,,, that box is at the first recept...........still may be ok right??

 

[Dennis Alwon]

They make afci receptacles so install one at the first outlet

 

[ritelec]

They make afci receptacles so install one at the first outlet

Thats what I was considering doing..but it may not fly.


Breaker > j box in basement > up to kitchen appliance recpt
> up to dining recept box (install afci recept)> load to other dining recepts

That protection doesn't seem like it's at its origin or from where I touched it...

I think this may work??

Breaker > j box in basement > up to kitchen appliance recpt
(install afci recept in this box)> load up to dining recept > to other dining recepts

I think this "chain" would suffuse but not sure as far as meeting the requirement for this article.
It would however be adding this appliance circ. receptacle to the basement..................wonder if they make the afci's like the gfci's that are a device but have no receptacle in them...


Just tap off the appliance circuit and replace the regular breaker with a afci breaker???

 

[Dennis Alwon]

If the breaker box is in the basement just add a new circuit for the dining area and use an afci breaker

 

[ritelec]

Yes, your right..............

But then I would waste 13 feet of 12-2.............

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Yes, your right..............

But then I would waste 13 feet of 12-2.............

I will send you a check for the 13'

 

[GoldDigger]

......wonder if they make the afci's like the gfci's that are a device but have no receptacle in them...

The technical term would be a dead front AFCI device. And I have not seen one yet. Just GFCIs in that style so far.

 

[ritelec]

Thanks GoldDigger........Funny Dennis !!!

 

[mjf]

Yes, your right..............

But then I would waste 13 feet of 12-2.............

I will send you a check for the 13'

You know it's that special order 18K GOLD 12-2, right?

 

[ritelec]

You know it's that special order 18K GOLD 12-2, right?

Many Many moons ago.......
I worked for this guy, and a customer was comparing his quote to another....

His comment to the customer was that he uses "super high-grade conductors" :huh:

lol

thanks for the laugh and memories mjf

 

[jumper]

Many Many moons ago.......
I worked for this guy, and a customer was comparing his quote to another....

His comment to the customer was that he uses "super high-grade conductors" :huh:

lol

thanks for the laugh and memories mjf

When I moved to MD, the local utiity company said that a technician needed to "condition" my coax cable line before turning on the interenet/TV connection.:jawdrop:

Unbelievable.

 

[Ponchik]

Just install a AFCI breaker on the existing circuit. (assuming it is not a MTWBC)