I have a new residential construction project and a question regarding bonding copper plumbing.There are isolated sections of copper in the basement that are mixed amongst the pex tubing.incoming from road is plastic and is obviously not part of the g.e.system.Do the random sections that are exposed need to be bonded? For instance the 5' stubs up from the water tank are copper. thanks.
bonding interior copper piping
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jumper
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IMHO-no. 250.104 talks about systems and does not state that small intermixed metal piping be required to be bonded.
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I agree with Derek-- no bonding required
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I agree too.
Gregg Harris
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Two more and we can list this post as being gang related.
I am not a Mod but I do agree.
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Add one more immoderator that agrees.....
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I agree with above, but have been forced to perform unnecessary bonding in the past. :ashamed1:
Well we all know one thing for certain. It does not matter if you followed the code to the letter. All that matters is what the Inspector thinks. We have all learned or soon will learn the two Golden Rules of passing inspections.
1. Inspector is always right.
2, When Inspector is wrong, refer to Rule #1.
Do that and you will have no problem with the Inspector.
John120/240
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How true. If it is a simple & cheap fix keep the Inspector happy. A recent thread here, don't remember where tho:
The inspector required a second 1200 A disconnect adjacent to the present one. The poster stated the appeals process takes three months. The EC's client does not have three months to wait so the second disconnect was installed at great expense. It is situations like this that make you pull out any hair that you had left.
Gregg Harris
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But it does matter.
A contractor should not be burdened with requirements that are assessed by an inspector based on opinion and not a code requirement.
An inspector and a contractor should both be competent at what they do based on the code requirements being addressed. There are deficiencies on both sides.
electricmanscott
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You could not be any more wrong.
kwired
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If faced with that situation and was necessary to "do what needs to be done to pass" to make the client happy, it may have been done. That doesn't mean AHJ may not be subject to lawsuit over the whole issue down the road, by myself, the client, or both. The better approach by the AHJ would at least be to allow energizing what is there if it passes otherwise, and there is no immediate danger present for some reason and let the legal battle be resolved before any further requirements of the second disconnect are enforced. If it is later legally determined the inspector was wrong, it could be costly to the AHJ.
Should not be any hungry folks in the USA, but yet there are. Life is not fair, there is ideology which does not work, and there is reality we have to deal with. If you are an EC, you have to deal with the Inspectors and play their game with their rules. All you have to do is remember the Two Golden Rules. :happyyes:
kwired
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You have to play their game with their employer's (the real AHJ) rules, if he is not following his employer's rules you maybe have some advantage in this game, but need to go through the right channels to deal with it. Occasionally some of them think they can make up their own rules and need to be kept in check.
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