1793
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Door Needed.......
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fmtjfw
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Nope, the door is part of the cabinet. Unless you can get a different style door from the manufacturer of the circuit breaker cabinet that is listed for the cabinet pan, you can't change it.
The fact that it would be covered by a presumably flammable art work is a really bad idea.
If the designer suggested that you leave off box covers for j-boxes or cover plates for switches would you go along?
If the designer wants to hang a piece of art work over the panel, perhaps the designer can design a spacer behind the art work that allows it to hang properly over the door.
The fact that it would be covered by a presumably flammable art work is a really bad idea.
If the designer suggested that you leave off box covers for j-boxes or cover plates for switches would you go along?
If the designer wants to hang a piece of art work over the panel, perhaps the designer can design a spacer behind the art work that allows it to hang properly over the door.
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Or as illustrated in another thread, just cover the panel with some nice wallpaper, put a frame around it and call it a work of art.
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buzzbar
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I disagree. You can get panels with the breaker handles exposed. They're kind of ugly, but they DO make them. It wouldn't bother me to remove the door (just the hinged portion), and hang a painting over it. But that's just, like, my opinion man.
Fulthrotl
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yep, and if it has a UL listing, then you are good to go.
but if it was listed with that little door on it, and you take the door off....
the listing goes away as well.
mjf
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Is it a violation to leave the hinged door open?
If you do remove the door, any manufacturer info presently on the inside of that door would have to be transferred.
If you do remove the door, any manufacturer info presently on the inside of that door would have to be transferred.
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The listing simply says that the item was built and shipper from the factory based on certain standards.
Just about everything you do in the field, including making conduit entries, has the ability to cause the device to no longer be in compliance with the original manufacturing standards.
According to UL it is up to the AHJ, not the manufacturer, to pass judgement on field modifications.
kwired
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That has always been the way I see it, yet everyone gets hung up on "violating listings" in so many cases if you make any modification.
To that my reply is if you own and use KO punches or drill bits for making raceway and cable entries, you are violating a listing nearly every time you use them. Buy a cabinet with no pre-punched KO's and how are you supposed to get any wiring into it without making field modifications?
fmtjfw
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Give me a break
If you buy a holeless cabinet, it is obvious to everyone -- the manufacturer, the NRTL, the inspector, and yourself -- that you must put holes in it to use it.
If you have a cabinet which has a door on it -- it is not obvious to anyone -- the manufacturer, the NRTL, the inspector, or a passerby -- that you must take the door off to use it.
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Cow
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If the homeowner didn't care I would do it. Some of the smaller Siemens and QO loadcenters don't even have doors, so I wouldn't have a problem removing this one if the customer wanted it that way.
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No worries about removing the door IMO.
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The point about what to do with any labelling (sometimes pretty extensive) attached to the inside of the door still concerns me. Make a photocopy of it and insert in an envelope inside the panel?
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Silkscreen it on the back of the art.
My first thought is to just use stand-off hanging techniques. IMO, artwork spaced out from a wall surface yields better viewing aesthetics.
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The enclosure and cover for the panelboard are not required to be listed products. Those items are covered by Article 312.
kwired
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Good point, I do see that a non metallic cabinet must be listed though.
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