Do I have to install parallel feeder wires in seperate parallel raceways?

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I have a service where I'm installing a 240V/200amp single phase distribution panel 400 feet away from the main service. My total demand load is 141 amps and is 95% 240 volt heat trace circuits. I sized the service for 160 amps with no more than 3% voltage drop on each circuit. When I sized this I came up with 2 parallel #4/0 conductors. Can I run this in one 3" conduit instead of using two parallel runs of conduits?

Voltage Drop calculations
Length FT
Amps
Wire Size
Circ Mils
Voltage Drop
% Vd
Double Throw Disconnect to DP#1
400
160
#4/0 X 2
423200
3.901701323
1.625709
This is for when DP1 is 400 feet or less from the double throw disconnect
DP#1 to HT Power Kits (case #1)
100
13.4
#10
10380
3.330635838
1.387765
7.232337161
3.013474
Total
This is for Circuits from DP#1 less that 100Ft to HT Power Kit
Voltage Drop calculations
Double Throw Disconnect to DP#1
400
160
#4/0 X 2
423200
3.901701323
1.625709
This is for when DP1 is 400 feet or less from the double throw disconnect
DP#1 to HT Power Kits (case #2)
275
13.4
#6
28240
3.366607649
1.402753
7.268308972
3.028462
Total
This is for Circuits from DP#1 from 160 FT to 275 FT to HT Power Kit
Voltage Drop calculations
Double Throw Disconnect to DP#1
400
160
#4/0 X 2
423200
3.901701323
1.625709
This is for when DP1 is 400 feet or less from the double throw disconnect
DP#1 to HT Power Kits (case #3)
400
13.4
#4
41740
3.313080977
1.38045
7.214782301
3.006159
Total
This is for Circuits from DP#1 from 275 FT to 400 FT to HT Power Kit
Note: for 4/0 Parallel feeder in one 3" conduit
195 amp X 2 = 390
De-rate for 6 current carrying conductors 80% = 312 amps
 

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But you may not divide three parallel sets up two in one raceway and one in another regardless of the relative sizes of the two raceways.
Four sets, two and two in identical raceways would be fine too.
 

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as jumper repled the basic answer to your question is "yes".
Glancing at your numbers it appears you may be short changing your self. Since you are only supplying a 200 amp panel it is of no consequence but something you might want to keep in mind for future calculations.
If you use a 90° conductor such as THWN-2, you can use the 90° rating (260 amps) for derating purposes so you conductor ampacity for (2) 4/0s parallel with a 80% derating would be 416 amps.
(110.14 still needs to be taken into account for terminations)
 

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I would run a 3.5" conduit and pull in one set of 500 kcmil (it would even fit into one-3"). We generally don't parallel anything below 300 kcmil especially if you need to run two-400' conduit runs instead of one.
 

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I have a service where I'm installing a 240V/200amp single phase distribution panel 400 feet away from the main service. My total demand load is 141 amps and is 95% 240 volt heat trace circuits. I sized the service for 160 amps with no more than 3% voltage drop on each circuit. When I sized this I came up with 2 parallel #4/0 conductors. Can I run this in one 3" conduit instead of using two parallel runs of conduits?


You can run multiple parallel sets in the same conduit, and obviously you'd also have to account for applicable ampacity adjustments. When you do this, you only need one EGC per conduit.

What you cannot do, is when you run more than 2 parallel sets in multiple conduits, you cannot run dissimilar numbers of sets of wiring in different conduits. For instance, if you had 3 sets in parallel, you couldn't run 2 sets in one conduit, and 1 set in the remaining conduit. All sets need to have the same conditions of use, which means you are required to uniformly divide the sets among the conduits.

Another thing to keep in mind when voltage drop is a governing factor, is that there is little advantage to running two parallel sets of the equivalent total KCMIL of a single parallel set. Resistance in general is inversely proportional to KCMIL. The slight performance advantage to paralleling smaller wires of the same total KCMIL as a larger one, is that the "AC Resistance" due to the additional inductive effects is slightly less in smaller wires. Paralleling is usually an advantage for ampacity reasons, because the surface area to volume ratio of smaller conductors is greater. But not nearly as much of an advantage for voltage drop curtailment.
 
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