Box For Device

[Alwayslearningelec]

Have data device that needs 1-1/4" EMT. Do they make 4" square box that has 1-1/4" KO's?\
The box has to accommodate 1G faceplate.

 

[LarryFine]

If not, you can always punch one.

I found a 4-11/16" box with them, that you can use a plaster ring with.

STL-CTY 72171-1-1/4 4-11/16 SQBX | Gordon Electric Supply, Inc.

STEEL-CITY 72171-1-1/4 4-11/16" SQUARE BOX, STEEL, 42CU, 1-1/4-KO

www.gordonelectricsupply.com

 

[ptonsparky]

Punch a hole in a 2” deep 4sq.

I can’t imagine trying to get a cable that requires 1 1/4 conduit terminated in a 4 sq.

 

[infinity]

They make them in 4 11/16 boxes with a single gang raised cover.

 

[4x4dually]

I can’t imagine trying to get a cable that requires 1 1/4 conduit terminated in a 4 sq.

That was my first thought as well.

 

[Alwayslearningelec]

That was my first thought as well.

Cat 6 cable so no biggie.

 

[ptonsparky]

Cat 6 cable so no biggie.

Me thinks 1 1/4 may be overkill, but 10% of $2 is more than 10% 0f $1.

 

[4x4dually]

Cat 6 cable so no biggie.

Gotcha. Cat6 at .2" diameter would let you run around a dozen or so in that pipe. Not sure what the fill rate is on low voltage. You running them with connectors on them? Joking. LOL

 

[Alwayslearningelec]

Gotcha. Cat6 at .2" diameter would let you run around a dozen or so in that pipe. Not sure what the fill rate is on low voltage. You running them with connectors on them? Joking. LOL

LOL.... NO!!!

 

[4x4dually]

It'll keep your fish tape from pulling off! LMAO

 

[hbiss]

Quite common requirement. I believe it comes from BICSI.

-Hal

 

[infinity]

I agree, a common waste of money based on some awful old standard. Just like no more than 180° of bend in a run.

 

[Alwayslearningelec]

My supplier said he's never heard of a 5" square box. And he's with a large national supplier. Wow.

 

[infinity]

My supplier said he's never heard of a 5" square box. And he's with a large national supplier. Wow.

5" is a slang term for a 4 11/16" box. You have two typical size boxes, 4" (1900 box) and 5" (4 11/16)

 

[ptonsparky]

My supplier said he's never heard of a 5" square box. And he's with a large national supplier. Wow.

I haven't either.

 

[ptonsparky]

5" is a slang term for a 4 11/16" box. You have two typical size boxes, 4" (1900 box) and 5" (4 11/16)

Never heard of that one, but I live here and have never been exposed to the large projects you do daily.
Almost always '4 & 11' some might add 16th

 

[RCDD]

The 5" Square box is required due to the bend radius restrictions of Cat 6 and above cable. There are (2) MFG of the 5" SQUARE BOX. RANDL T-55017 - http://www.randl-inc.com/t55017box.html & Steel City http://tnb.com/pub/en/node/1861 - Also, most standards will also require an extension 5/8 single gang extension ring RANDL #D-51G058 https://www.platt.com/p/0776981/randl-industries/5-square-x-single-gang-extension-ring/rand51g058 & STEEL CITY http://tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=82C1G58&co=US.

The 1" vs. 1.25" conduit sizing is becoming a hot topic in structured cabling. The pathways should be future-proof, but of course, most EC in the project want to reduce the sizing for cost and labor. It's an uphill battle since cabling requirements are standards and not code.

 

[augie47]

+ the 4-11/16 adds another can of worms IF its a fire rated wall......
The IBC permits the installation of unprotected steel outlet boxes not exceeding 16 sq. in within a rated wall assembly as long as the sum total area of openings (wall cutouts) for those boxes does not exceed 100 square inches for any 100 sq. ft. of wall.

 

[infinity]

+ the 4-11/16 adds another can of worms IF its a fire rated wall......
The IBC permits the installation of unprotected steel outlet boxes not exceeding 16 sq. in within a rated wall assembly as long as the sum total area of openings (wall cutouts) for those boxes does not exceed 100 square inches for any 100 sq. ft. of wall.

Augie maybe you can clarify. Wouldn't that be 16 square inches for the actual opening cut into the drywall not the box within the wall? Wouldn't a 4" box with a 2 gang opening be the same as a 2 gang 4 11/16" box opening?

 

[kwired]

The 5" Square box is required due to the bend radius restrictions of Cat 6 and above cable. There are (2) MFG of the 5" SQUARE BOX. RANDL T-55017 - http://www.randl-inc.com/t55017box.html & Steel City http://tnb.com/pub/en/node/1861 - Also, most standards will also require an extension 5/8 single gang extension ring RANDL #D-51G058 https://www.platt.com/p/0776981/randl-industries/5-square-x-single-gang-extension-ring/rand51g058 & STEEL CITY http://tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=82C1G58&co=US.

The 1" vs. 1.25" conduit sizing is becoming a hot topic in structured cabling. The pathways should be future-proof, but of course, most EC in the project want to reduce the sizing for cost and labor. It's an uphill battle since cabling requirements are standards and not code.

Yet there never room enough for bend radius of even a 3/4" raceway in many cases.