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    Update on existing bid

    I'm replying to this older thread to update on what happened with the bid.

    From what I gather the neighbor shopped my bid out. He told me that they came in around $200 below mine, which was incredible. But eventually he didn't have them put in the receptacle in because he thought it was too much (so in actuality it was really only $100 below my bid). There's no way they could have made anything on that job. I told him he got a good deal and should really consider himself lucky, but he was kind of hinting at me doing the receptaple part at a reduced price. I didn't budge on it. I also told him I was going to do things differently and more in line with what a nice home he has rather than, say, connecting to a light in the attic for the receptacle in the garage, as he suggested I should do. I would tie into his other receptacles in the garage to keep it clean and also put in a double gang receptacles (single gang is so 1980s).

    It's a cut throat business around here (since the 2008 housing crash) so I'm really not going to disprespect the larger company for cutting corners. For instance, for the outside lights they tied into the lights in the house and the AFCI in the panel. That can save some good money. Perhaps it's worth thinking about on future jobs. I was going to run a separate circuit for all of it. Maybe it's just survival in the new economy.

    Bacchus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
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    Misc info:
    175 feet of #14 wire for outside lights & receptacles
    Panel is fairly close to where switch will be
    Supplies $90-120




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
    I'm replying to this older thread to update on what happened with the bid.

    From what I gather the neighbor shopped my bid out. He told me that they came in around $200 below mine, which was incredible. But eventually he didn't have them put in the receptacle in because he thought it was too much (so in actuality it was really only $100 below my bid). There's no way they could have made anything on that job. I told him he got a good deal and should really consider himself lucky, but he was kind of hinting at me doing the receptaple part at a reduced price. I didn't budge on it. I also told him I was going to do things differently and more in line with what a nice home he has rather than, say, connecting to a light in the attic for the receptacle in the garage, as he suggested I should do. I would tie into his other receptacles in the garage to keep it clean and also put in a double gang receptacles (single gang is so 1980s).

    It's a cut throat business around here (since the 2008 housing crash) so I'm really not going to disprespect the larger company for cutting corners. For instance, for the outside lights they tied into the lights in the house and the AFCI in the panel. That can save some good money. Perhaps it's worth thinking about on future jobs. I was going to run a separate circuit for all of it. Maybe it's just survival in the new economy.

    Bacchus
    Bacchus Thank You for the update
    You are in Business to MAKE Money. A separate circuit to serve two outdoor flood lights & a garage receptacle ??
    I would look at all options as where to get power from. A separate circuit would be the last option & only if the load necessitated it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
    I'm replying to this older thread to update on what happened with the bid.

    From what I gather the neighbor shopped my bid out. He told me that they came in around $200 below mine, which was incredible. But eventually he didn't have them put in the receptacle in because he thought it was too much (so in actuality it was really only $100 below my bid). There's no way they could have made anything on that job. I told him he got a good deal and should really consider himself lucky, but he was kind of hinting at me doing the receptaple part at a reduced price. I didn't budge on it. I also told him I was going to do things differently and more in line with what a nice home he has rather than, say, connecting to a light in the attic for the receptacle in the garage, as he suggested I should do. I would tie into his other receptacles in the garage to keep it clean and also put in a double gang receptacles (single gang is so 1980s).

    It's a cut throat business around here (since the 2008 housing crash) so I'm really not going to disprespect the larger company for cutting corners. For instance, for the outside lights they tied into the lights in the house and the AFCI in the panel. That can save some good money. Perhaps it's worth thinking about on future jobs. I was going to run a separate circuit for all of it. Maybe it's just survival in the new economy.

    Bacchus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacchus View Post
    1) no permit
    2) I supply everything
    3) AFCI should not be needed. These are for outside lights and it's in a garage.
    * I was thinking. Wow.... you know, there will be a switch inside a small office. Do I still need one??? This is scaring me now. I was thinking this is a circuit for outside but maybe not.

    4) all day job, right. I'll remember that next time. I agree with you. It should be an all dayer for one person. I might split it up.

    Thanks for the tip.
    AFCI clarification: Would an inspector ask for AFCI on this circuit? Outside lights are not required to be AFCI protected. The switch in the office is not an outlet, so no AFCI required there, either. What am I missing?

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    As of [2014], at least some of the language refers to devices in the protected area, not just outlets. A switch and a receptacle are both devices. A hard wired light has an outlet associated with it, but not a device. Gets interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSK3720 View Post
    AFCI clarification: Would an inspector ask for AFCI on this circuit? Outside lights are not required to be AFCI protected. The switch in the office is not an outlet, so no AFCI required there, either. What am I missing?
    210.12 (A)
    ... All 120V single phase ... branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed.... [devices was changed in this code so not just outlest anymore. So that would obviously mean switches. They should just say a device, IMHO. Maybe next code change. An outlet is a device while not all devices are outlets. ]

    Definition:
    Device: A unit of electrical system, other than a conductor, that carries or controls [emphasis mine] electrical energy as its principal function.

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