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    Quote Originally Posted by tortuga View Post
    Ever since Connecticut Electric offered that Siemens breaker like that inspectors will accept any Siemens full size as a 'classified' interchangeable breaker..
    Inspectors may get away with murder, but neither Siemens nor CE classified this mechanical fit for any Type BR listing, not with UL or any NRTL.

    If Property Insurance inspectors identify the listing violation during a claim investigation, Fire Hazards are not insurable, and NFPA-70 has adopted insurance inspectors as AHJ's for investigating property claims for such violations.

    Insurance attorneys are full-time employee experts. The litigation costs of fighting expert witnesses arguing about fire-code violations, often result in out-of-court settlements for peanuts. The question is, what will Insurance forensics find first. If smokes / batteries are dead or missing, then case closed. Claim denied, nothing further needed.

    Listing violations are just another cause for property insurance to settle for peanuts, harm your client, who can point the finger at you.

    This "Interchangeable" product seems to be another case of Cavet Emptor or Buyer Beware.
    CE & Siemens would be found harmless, since "Interchangeable" is not regulated language, unlike "Classified" that requires testing for listings.

    Other cause for denying claim:
    Permit violations, 100A service conductors on new 200A equipment, or missing AFCI's, case closed, claim denied.
    Permit violations at Kitchen / bath / lighting remodels / sun room addition; case closed, claim denied.
    Fuse box found with moisture intrusion, evident corrosion, insect nests, dirt & debris, or if breakers fail to reset, or indicate on/off, then Claim denied, nothing further needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramsy View Post
    Found these Interchangeable Breakers at a local hardware store - Ganahl Lumber.

    Don't know if they are available online.
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    Those are not Listed for Canada we must be careful of what the USA has for their use
    " DON'T use low prices as your selling advantage. The advantage disappears the moment someone dumber than you offers a lower price "
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    Quote Originally Posted by electricguy View Post
    Those are not Listed for Canada we must be careful of what the USA has for their use
    Look Carefully at image labels on breaker. I see both "CSA" and "UL" labels.
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    If "CSA" is not Canada, I believe "UL" is internationally adopted, and the exclusive NRTL in the UK.

    Just like China, the USA may export products with unregulated language, not legally miss-labeled, or counterfeit products. If it gets thru other State's customs, then its "Caveat Emptor" for Canada's consumers, and a free lunch for their property insurance industry who can also deny associated claims.
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    I went to their site and just saw the UL listing a ul listing here has to be cUL I will have to check the CSA site to see if they have a CSA mark the reason is other UBI breakers are not approved for use in Canada
    I just have not come up with a knock off breaker approved for here
    " DON'T use low prices as your selling advantage. The advantage disappears the moment someone dumber than you offers a lower price "
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