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Thread: Will it trip the breaker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary11734 View Post



    You have to answer the question; Why did some think immediately that the current would drop in half as the voltage doubling? I haven't seen anybody here answer that question. I've tried to explain that to no avail.
    We can't get in the mind of someone else, but if I have a commercial toaster, and the nameplate states voltage, 120 or 240 (and they do exist). Then hooking it up to 240 volts WILL halve the amperage. BUT it requires the wires in the pecker head to be made up differently for the different voltages. Perhaps there are some who went down that road.

    You can dispute it until the cows come home, but it is not a good question because there are too many variables that allow for different answers and/or require clarification.

    It would be like me asking you what the voltage of earth is. Be careful, because it is quite unlikely (but possible) that it is zero. It is not a question that has an answer. Any more than how far away is San Francisco. Unless your answer is 2,748 miles, then it isn't from where I meant or using the route I intended, but i failed to give you that parameter, so how could you answer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary11734 View Post
    You get the prize! This is exactly why guys that have been in the field get this wrong. You hit it on the head! They think so quick and say what they see on a daily basis. Transformers have this too. Voltage goes up on the primary, but the current goes down. It's not about math at this point, but how they are thinking without really thinking the problem through. I am so happy finally see's what I have been trying to articulate for four days!

    She watched all of Mike Holts classes on DVD. I guess she could read n OHMS wheel just like the rest of us. I would not trust her to hook up a 3-way! Lol But, she passed it and in the nineties. That four-year degree from Florida State had some value after all! Go Miami Hurricanes!

    So, when guys would come to me and say they couldn't pass their masters class, I would show them her EC Unlimited License. And say, you have no excuse but to study more and take the test. I always had a full set of Mike Holts DVDs at the shop for their use. I also use to pay for all the apprentices that went to school. But, I would tell them, if they quit, they would have to refund the money to me. A bad way to force them but it helped keep them in class.

    But they didn't necessarily get it wrong. How many times do actual geniuses on this forum need to tell you there is more than one answer to your question before you concede that right and wrong are relative to variables YOU failed to clarify?


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    There is this to deal with:


    • When you push down on the handle, the plastic bar presses against the contacts and applies power to the circuit board.
    • 120-volt power runs directly through the contacts to the nichrome wires to start toasting the bread.
    • A simple circuit made up of transistors, resistors and capacitors turns on and supplies power to the electromagnet.
    • The electromagnet attracts the piece of metal on the handle, holding the bread in the toaster.
    • The simple circuit acts as a timer. A capacitor charges through a resistor, and when it reaches a certain voltage it cuts off the power to the electromagnet. The spring immediately pulls the two slices of bread up.
    • In the process, the plastic bar rises and cuts off power to the toaster.
    So, in the real world, a 120 volt toaster would not hold itself down long enough to heat up the elements, and the OCPD would not open. I challenge anyone to disprove this.

    The actual question asked:

    Will it blow the fuse?

    The answer is no, and only an experiment will prove or disprove my answer. Only accepting yes as an answer is accepting a wrong answer, which can be proven, although I am not sure how safely.....
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    Another HUGE ambiguity right outta the gate:

    The thread is titled "Will it trip the breaker?" and ends with "Will it blow the fuse?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by 480sparky View Post
    Another HUGE ambiguity right outta the gate:

    The thread is titled "Will it trip the breaker?" and ends with "Will it blow the fuse?".
    Ah, but will it burn your toast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn View Post
    Ah, but will it burn your toast?
    Is coffee included?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn View Post
    Ah, but will it burn your toast?
    No, it will just flame broil it.

    Cheers and Stay Safe,

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