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    Quote Originally Posted by romex jockey View Post
    yes Gary

    But that's all about convincing an archy ,some of which aren't very 'flexible'

    ~RJ~
    Speaking of architects...

    In my business (PV design) I often have to port a set of architectural pdf files into AutoCAD to build rooftop layouts. I had always thought that architects were all anal to a fault about precision, but what I have seen often says otherwise. I see lines that are obviously meant to be orthogonal or parallel which aren't... quite, lines that are obviously meant to converge but don't... quite, measurements that aren't precisely what they say they are at the scale they quote, etc. It's frustrating at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary11734 View Post
    When you go to the site URL that's posted, click on the video on the same page and listen to what he is saying as he installs it. It's around the .50 second mark. The guy clearly states it's for Fire alarm and Cameras. I went there looking for this. No way the drop ceiling could ever be bonded in a way that if there was a fault in this box could it be relied on to trip the breaker. At least the drop ceilings I have dealt with.

    Please post where Galvin is saying it's for lighting, fans.

    Thanks,

    Gary
    Check out “product description” below that video.
    Only thing I haven’t come across yet is if it’s listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn View Post
    Speaking of architects...

    In my business (PV design) I often have to port a set of architectural pdf files into AutoCAD to build rooftop layouts. I had always thought that architects were all anal to a fault about precision, but what I have seen often says otherwise. I see lines that are obviously meant to be orthogonal or parallel which aren't... quite, lines that are obviously meant to converge but don't... quite, measurements that aren't precisely what they say they are at the scale they quote, etc. It's frustrating at times.
    Are these PDF's that were produced straight from AutoCAD or did someone scan the drawings? For some reason, scanned PDF's are still popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadfly56 View Post
    Are these PDF's that were produced straight from AutoCAD or did someone scan the drawings? For some reason, scanned PDF's are still popular.
    The ones about which I speak are straight from CAD. I get scanned pdfs from time to time and they really suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn View Post
    Speaking of architects...

    In my business (PV design) I often have to port a set of architectural pdf files into AutoCAD to build rooftop layouts. I had always thought that architects were all anal to a fault about precision, but what I have seen often says otherwise. I see lines that are obviously meant to be orthogonal or parallel which aren't... quite, lines that are obviously meant to converge but don't... quite, measurements that aren't precisely what they say they are at the scale they quote, etc. It's frustrating at times.
    I

    If you're not Anal, you are not an Architect! lol.

    These poor guys are squeezed between the owners, Generals, Subs, and Lawyers coming after them for something. They are in the cut and paste era now like the rest of us. I'll look at a set of new drawings and see the spec of another project with the exact same errors.

    It's a tough business and I have a lot of respect for these guys.

    ggunn'; what version of AutoCad are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mopowr steve View Post
    Check out “product description” below that video.
    Only thing I haven’t come across yet is if it’s listed.

    I listened again. He says, "not recommended for high voltage"

    Why would you not recommend not installing this product? You would think he would want to push his product out as much as he can.

    I wonder what Mike would think about this one.

    If Mike says OK, I'm OK...

    In the 80's, I would say, Mike, can't be right on that. He was.

    In the 90's, no way Mike can be right on this. He was.

    Now, present day, forget about it. Whatever Mike says, it's correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggunn View Post
    Speaking of architects...

    In my business (PV design) I often have to port a set of architectural pdf files into AutoCAD to build rooftop layouts. I had always thought that architects were all anal to a fault about precision, but what I have seen often says otherwise. I see lines that are obviously meant to be orthogonal or parallel which aren't... quite, lines that are obviously meant to converge but don't... quite, measurements that aren't precisely what they say they are at the scale they quote, etc. It's frustrating at times.
    I was quite anal about my measurements for column placement, stairs design, etc, on my house I am building in Jamaica.. Designed it to specifically address the situation of neighbors property line, etc, and maximise the space.
    However, was in another country and let local architect handle the foundation, and basement, trying to keep employed so could pay for it. Did things like design stairs around common building materials to cut down on cutting forms, so everything could be rented...
    Hallways designed to be exactly so many tiles wide, etc.
    Get there and every measurement off. Everything has to be custom. Instead of the whole blocks many times part blocks and wastage
    So... It sometimes is not the architects but the builders that cause all the headaches when you later try to do stuff.
    Student of electrical codes. Please Take others advice first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary11734 View Post

    ggunn'; what version of AutoCad are you using?
    2018 LT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary11734 View Post
    I listened again. He says, "not recommended for high voltage"
    120 V to ground is not “high voltage”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retirede View Post
    120 V to ground is not “high voltage”.
    Do you think, when he says high voltage he's talking 4160 volts?

    To this guy, 120 volts IS high voltage as opposed to thinking Fire alarm and Cameras.

    I would think some common sense should apply here.

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