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Why do you become so fanatical when someone mentions a sub-main?
From you, oh the irony of it.
As far as sub mains, if you don't understand the problem with that for AFCI or GFCIs you are beyond help.
Why do you become so fanatical when someone mentions a sub-main?
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Sorry RJ, this isn't a pot shot at you. Chickenman, AKA 'Benton Harbor', was a favorite radio show of mine. Benton Harbor, in case you don't know, is a town in Michigan. Anything Michigan is cool to me.
Plus, Chickenman always saved the day. No matter how screwed up things got.
Iwire is about my age and probably has heard the show. BTW, that means Iwire isn't older than dirt, but may have a few years on most of the sod in the area.
From you, oh the irony of it.
As far as sub mains, if you don't understand the problem with that for AFCI or GFCIs you are beyond help.
:lol:
Perhaps some of you should investigate the Euro model , which is close in design , and survived 1/2 century of damsels in distress....
~RJ~
You miss my side of the argument. I understand 40 circuits being looped into the mix vs one being much harder for trouble shooting, but one most ask how common dangerous arc faults truly are... A rare event would actually have the savings look attractive for the one in a million home that needs extensive trouble shooting.
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Iwire is about my age and probably has heard the show.
I searched 'Euro AFCI' on Google and came up with nothing.
Just for my own curiosity, what, exactly, is 'the Euro model'?
You have to factor in false tripping.
Don't forget that radio transmissions hundreds of feet away can trip AFCI breakers, for example. Besides troubleshooting, a false trip taking out 40 circuits in an instant would really suck.
a false trip taking out 40 circuits in an instant would really suck.
comment came from. mbrooke knows that so I guess he is just trying to stir the pot.
In a newly built home even with a dedicated subpanel just for the required AFCI circuits a trip would be almost 100% of the lighting and receptacles at the same time.
Not good. :happysad:
It seems to me mbrooke does not understand how difficult it would be to identify an intermittent problem on one circuit when mixed with dozens.
Sure, if the problem is continuous narrowing it down is a piece of cake. It's when the problem is once a week or once every few days etc that it quickly becomes cost prohibitive to stand around and wait.
Is it poorly wired circuit? Is it a bad appliance?
And that might be true, but other members may not know that and think you are making fun of him. RJ has tremendous insight on this subject and I want him to feel welcome being able to share his thoughts in a welcome atmosphere.
But my understanding is that all (dangerous) arc faults are continuous rather then intermittent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPlELdH0KeM
Any member is welcome to share his/her thoughts, within reason, and any other member is welcome to disagree, within reason.
No one gets preferential treatment.
But my understanding is that all (dangerous) arc faults are continuous rather then intermittent?
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Sorry RJ, this isn't a pot shot at you. Chickenman, AKA 'Benton Harbor', was a favorite radio show of mine. Benton Harbor, in case you don't know, is a town in Michigan. Anything Michigan is cool to me.
Plus, Chickenman always saved the day. No matter how screwed up things got.
Iwire is about my age and probably has heard the show. BTW, that means Iwire isn't older than dirt, but may have a few years on most of the sod in the area.
You are well aware AFCIs trip for reasons other than dangerous arc fault.
An AFCI main breaker is the worst idea ever. As for the "Euro model", I could not possibly care less what the Euro model is. I know that one branch circuit dumping an entire panel is unacceptable, both from an installer/contractor standpoint and end user as well.
But thats condemning something without knowing what it is... which is very important in this case because the Euro model was exploited to justify AFCIs...