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    GFCI Receptacle for garbage disposal

    The new wording in 210.8 NEC 2018 states that when determining distance for GFCI's it is "would follow without ... passing through a door. My first thought is that if the receptacle has to pass through a door, then a GFCI isn't required on the other side of the door. But I think I have read here where it is believed to be required. Can we discuss the reasoning? I can see where one might state, a cabinet door isn't a "door" in this case, for example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strathead View Post
    The new wording in 210.8 NEC 2018 states that when determining distance for GFCI's it is "would follow without ... passing through a door. My first thought is that if the receptacle has to pass through a door, then a GFCI isn't required on the other side of the door. But I think I have read here where it is believed to be required. Can we discuss the reasoning? I can see where one might state, a cabinet door isn't a "door" in this case, for example.
    If a cabinet door is not a door, then what is it?


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    I don't see how that can be clearer. IMO, the receptacle under the sink does not need to be gfci protected assuming this is a dwelling.

    For the purposes of this section, when determining distance
    from receptacles the distance shall be measured as the shortest
    path the cord of an appliance connected to the receptacle
    would follow without piercing a floor, wall, ceiling, or fixed
    barrier, or passing through a door, doorway, or window.


    Kitchens — where the receptacles are installed to serve
    the countertop surfaces
    (7) Sinks — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m
    (6 ft) from the top inside edge of the bowl of the sink
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    I don't see how that can be clearer. IMO, the receptacle under the sink does not need to be gfci protected assuming this is a dwelling.

    I agree. I would also guess that the specific wording in the NEC that mentions the word door is actually referencing a cabinet door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jap View Post
    If a cabinet door is not a door, then what is it?
    Ajar. At least in my house, it is.
    Code references based on 2005 NEC
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFine View Post
    Ajar. At least in my house, it is.
    Mine's usually always shut, except for the brief moments when we open it to get the dishwashing liquid out.

    I let my wife do that while I stand guard next to the non-gfi garbage disposal receptacle, just in case some sneaky B_ _ T _ _ D tries to plug something in when we aren't looking.


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    I have my boy watch the disposal switch during this period of time also.

    Just in case they happen to get by me to plug something in,,, they dang sure aint gonna get by him to flip the switch on.


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    Thank you all I read an old thread where there was much more controversy about it. That wording is not in the 2014 code book. We are still under that one. Do you think an inspector would be wrong to fail you under that code? I think they would be within their rights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strathead View Post
    Thank you all I read an old thread where there was much more controversy about it. That wording is not in the 2014 code book. We are still under that one. Do you think an inspector would be wrong to fail you under that code? I think they would be within their rights.
    I think that is exactly why the change was made, as written before anything that was within six feet was up to AHJ how they want to enforce it, now they are telling you how to measure that six feet. In extreme case one could have said that bedroom receptacle on the other side of the wall was within six feet of the sink and required GFCI protection, reality is if the wall is finished and you don't pass any cord through the wall in any way you may need at least 25 feet of cord to reach from the receptacle to the sink.
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    The intent of the 2017 language was that a cabinet door is not a door, but that is not what the words say. The 2020 will remove the words door and doorway from that section to make it clear that receptacles under the cabinet that are within 6' from the sink will require GFCI protection. This change will also require GFCI protection in some unusual locations. For example in my master bedroom the master bath sink is located such that one of the bedroom wall receptacles would require GFCI protection if the 2020 language was applied.
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