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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    I see what you are questioning and it is redundant because of the title of 680.42 being "outdoor installations".
    So my question is, does that line item even belong there, or do they mean to say the tub has to be rated a indoor/outdoor tub in order for the exception to be allowed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FionaZuppa View Post
    So my question is, does that line item even belong there, or do they mean to say the tub has to be rated a indoor/outdoor tub in order for the exception to be allowed?

    It does seem to be a moot point. If the tub is outdoors then one would expect it to be rated for outdoor use. I guess they are just making sure that it is install properly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    It does seem to be a moot point. If the tub is outdoors then one would expect it to be rated for outdoor use. I guess they are just making sure that it is install properly
    It's not moot yet. What is meant by that item?

    Does NEC mean to say that the tub has to be indoor/outdoor rated? Would a tub rated as outdoor-only still meet the criteria?

    Both indoor/outdoor and outdoor-only ratings still work ok for outdoor installation, etc.

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    You are over thinking this. Indoor/outdoor or just outdoor are both acceptable for outdoor installation and both can use the exception
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    You are over thinking this. Indoor/outdoor or just outdoor are both acceptable for outdoor installation and both can use the exception
    The line item mentions the word "indoor" alone. So please explain what it (that line) means.

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    It is bad wording. All they needed to say is it is listed for outdoor use.

    The spa or hot tub shall NOT be identified as suitable only for indoor use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    It is bad wording. All they needed to say is it is listed for outdoor use.

    The spa or hot tub shall NOT be identified as suitable only for indoor use.
    Ok, but then why even include that line/verbiage in the OUTDOOR install exception section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FionaZuppa View Post
    Ok, but then why even include that line/verbiage in the OUTDOOR install exception section?
    Probably doesn't need to be there but you can write a proposal and see if they see merit in the change
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    Probably doesn't need to be there but you can write a proposal and see if they see merit in the change
    Is this how NEC does things now? Rhetorical Q btw, but if they cant see what they are writing then there's bigger issue going on. If they are reading what they write before it goes to print, they why don't they catch the blunder and fix it, then print it? The NFPA 70 cant be a collection of "well, we all know what they meant", because when you get to that stage then the text basically becomes junk. If i recall correctly, people need to buy the NEC print, and it's not a $5 cost either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FionaZuppa View Post
    Is this how NEC does things now? Rhetorical Q btw, but if they cant see what they are writing then there's bigger issue going on. If they are reading what they write before it goes to print, they why don't they catch the blunder and fix it, then print it? The NFPA 70 cant be a collection of "well, we all know what they meant", because when you get to that stage then the text basically becomes junk. If i recall correctly, people need to buy the NEC print, and it's not a $5 cost either.
    There is free access to it on NFPA website.
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