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    Quote Originally Posted by gadfly56 View Post
    I'm with you on that.

    Also, since this is all low voltage, article 300 requirements, including conduit fill don't apply, right?
    Article 300 is worried about heat buildup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptonsparky View Post
    Don't you worry more about the pulling tension on those cables vs wiil they fit?
    IMO, that’s part of if they will fit.

    with a tugger, I could get quite a few of them to fit LOL

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    This outfit has used me on several projects

    they say they have used this cable many times with no issue.

    My contract doesn’t require the cameras work, just the raceway installation and the cable installation.

    they are doing all the terminations.

    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by five.five-six View Post
    I was awarded a contract to instal a RMC raceway system in a self storage campus for cameras. After being awarded the contract, the customer specification changed to include several of the longer runs in “game changer” cat6, which has a diameter of .305 inches

    300’ of the raceway will have 3 standard wet rated cat5 cables and 2 each of the .305” “game changer” cable. I’m trying to calculate if those 5 cables will fit in a 1” galvanized rigid conduit.
    You don't have any of this wire or something similar sized you can shove in a 1" nipple, scrap piece of pipe, elbow, etc and see for yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by five.five-six View Post
    I understand however this cable is rated to Cary PoE+ 660 feet.

    That’s why they call it “game changer” LOL
    Bandwidth certified out to 660'? Thats double the normal 100 meters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyrick View Post
    Bandwidth certified out to 660'? Thats double the normal 100 meters.
    Cat6 is rated for 10gbps. I’m looking for a camera that needs that much.

    If you need 10gbps, I’d use fiber.

    I’d have to look it up but I think you get 1gbps over 660 feet which will be sufficient for a slew, a plethora and a cornucopia of cameras

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    There is some concern on POE equipment and generating heat in conduits.
    Here is good place to start https://www.bicsi.org
    This magazine had good articles on the subject https://www.cablinginstall.com/
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    POE is getting ridiculous. It started out to supply "phantom" power to ethernet connected devices that needed low amounts of power- like phones and access points that would otherwise need local power from a wall wart, which would often be inconvenient.

    Now these people are looking for ways for it to handle gigawatts to power a building full of lighting or carry power way beyond what ethernet is capable of. Obviously they haven't taken the time to understand the common (and IMO better) approaches to this. Like ethernet control of conventionally powered lighting or fiber with an integral pair of power conductors.

    -Hal

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    Quote Originally Posted by five.five-six View Post
    I was awarded a contract to instal a RMC raceway system in a self storage campus for cameras. After being awarded the contract, the customer specification changed to include several of the longer runs in “game changer” cat6, which has a diameter of .305 inches

    300’ of the raceway will have 3 standard wet rated cat5 cables and 2 each of the .305” “game changer” cable. I’m trying to calculate if those 5 cables will fit in a 1” galvanized rigid conduit.
    40% fill of 1" rigid is 4.85 of the 0.305 diameter cables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbiss View Post
    POE is getting ridiculous. It started out to supply "phantom" power to ethernet connected devices that needed low amounts of power- like phones and access points that would otherwise need local power from a wall wart, which would often be inconvenient.

    Now these people are looking for ways for it to handle gigawatts to power a building full of lighting or carry power way beyond what ethernet is capable of. Obviously they haven't taken the time to understand the common (and IMO better) approaches to this. Like ethernet control of conventionally powered lighting or fiber with an integral pair of power conductors.

    -Hal

    One PoE port can very easily supply 35 watts to a 2X4 troffer fixture. That fixture can be optioned with cameras, occupancy sensors, natural light sensors, speakers, thermostat sensors etc.. It makes a lot of sense to do PoE LED lighting.

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