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    Quote Originally Posted by al hildenbrand View Post
    Thanks, . . . I was distracted by the second (middle) image that lists "Safety Instructions", all of which start with "This AF/GF"

    As a result of your last post, I now have unpacked the White capital "G" inside a black square at the right side the bulleted Safety Instruction titled "Ground Faults".

    The white "G" in the black box refers to the note, in the box below the list of "Safety Instructions", that says: "Ground Fault function only: Does not apply to AFCI devices."

    Peter d, what are the Installation Instructions? Your photo shows that they are there, . . .
    I posted them above.

    What I infer from the instructions and proved with my field tests is that the AF breaker does not detect a hard N-G fault because the GFPE is now absent. That is why it says the GF portion only applies to the DF breaker, based on those "G" symbols.

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    That instruction sheet is very confusing because it seems to cover a number of devices. Then it's poorly organized and written. Not only because of the damn multiple languages but because you have to really look at it and find the footnotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hbiss View Post
    That instruction sheet is very confusing because it seems to cover a number of devices. Then it's poorly organized and written. Not only because of the damn multiple languages but because you have to really look at it and find the footnotes.

    -Hal
    Agreed, it's a one-size-fits-all for all their electronic breakers for all of North America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al hildenbrand View Post
    So far, searches for installation leaflet IL003022EN is yielding absolutely nothing.
    If you're so inclined, you can mosey down to your local big box store and purchase an Eaton BR breaker, and obtain the same leaflet.

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    Or buy a BR AF breaker and experiment with it.
    Code references based on 2005 NEC
    Larry B. Fine
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    I had the debate with Al over a year ago and he would not accept that Eaton had removed the GF sensing from standard BR AFCI breakers. I have never used a GE AFCI breaker but do the instructions specifically state that they don't have GF protection? Its obvious they don't but just curious if its actually stated in the instructions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curt swartz View Post
    I had the debate with Al over a year ago and he would not accept that Eaton had removed the GF sensing from standard BR AFCI breakers.
    I'm not sure where he stands at the moment, but I know what I saw when I performed those tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curt swartz View Post
    I had the debate with Al over a year ago and he would not accept that Eaton had removed the GF sensing from standard BR AFCI breakers. I have never used a GE AFCI breaker but do the instructions specifically state that they don't have GF protection? Its obvious they don't but just curious if its actually stated in the instructions.
    There is nothing that I know that mentions anything about GF protection in any manufactures' AFCI info, it was always just a given that it is or, in context of this discussion, was part of the breaker.
    If you don't think too good, don't think too much.

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    The bottom line for me is this - the only way to know for sure is to test the breaker as I did. The manufacturers literature offers very little to nothing in the way of definitive information and requires a lot of inference to figure out if the breaker contains GFPE or not. I'm glad the Klein tester has the 30 mA function in it.

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