110.26

[SoFloBuc]

AHJ says this install is a violation of 110.26, what say you? I do not think 110.26 applies to this water heater install. (existing wiring, just a new water heater).

 

[jaggedben]

Because of the box above the water heater? Without knowing what's in that box I'm not totally sure, but I suspect I'd agree with you.

 

[LarryFine]

It looks like a POCO water-heater prime-time cut-out box.

 

[SoFloBuc]

Because of the box above the water heater? Without knowing what's in that box I'm not totally sure, but I suspect I'd agree with you.

Power companies load management system and a surface mount handy box for the flex to come in and out.

 

[qcroanoke]

If that was just a piece of flex or even romex connecting directly to the water heater I'd say no violation.
But IF there are adjustments or timers in that controller I'd call foul.
But I have never seen one of these

 

[augie47]

'I'm in agreement with the inspector.

 

[SoFloBuc]

AHJ says this install is a violation of 110.26, what say you? I do not think 110.26 applies to this water heater install. (existing wiring, just a new water heater).

it is my understanding art. 110.26 is more for control boards, panels, transformers etc. not junction boxes!! But before I argue I am looking for validation.

 

[SoFloBuc]

'I'm in agreement with the inspector

I have to say i am surprised but that's why i post these here, to hear the rebuttal so i am prepared. Please enlighten me? Its only a junction box, since when does a POCO box fall in their jurisdiction? There are how many installs just like this for Water heater and hell Air Handlers too.

 

[charlie b]

First of all, if the only work was to install a new water heater, then why is the job getting an inspection? Also, why an electrical inspection? I have had water heaters installed at my various homes throughout the years. Never a permit, never an inspection, and never an electrician.

 

[SoFloBuc]

First of all, if the only work was to install a new water heater, then why is the job getting an inspection? Also, why an electrical inspection? I have had water heaters installed at my various homes throughout the years. Never a permit, never an inspection, and never an electrician.

We are a multi trade shop, do a ton of work for Home Depot and pull permits for almost everything, including water heaters. This is an issue we have down here in So Flo with a few of the AHJ. Not the first time we are asked to pull an electric permit for no darn reason on a like for like anything.
They are out of control down here!!

 

[augie47]

it is my understanding art. 110.26 is more for control boards, panels, transformers etc. not junction boxes!! But before I argue I am looking for validation.

I would agree it would not apply to the junction box but 110.26 states "all equipment" and "subject to exam, adjustment, servicing or maintenance"...seemingly applicable for the controller.

 

[charlie b]

it is my understanding art. 110.26 is more for control boards, panels, transformers etc. not junction boxes!!

It's for electrical equipment that is likely to require work while energized. This thing doesn't. That is my argument. And I see Gus posted before me, and he disagrees with me.

By the way, and just FYI, there is some disagreement on this point, but I believe 110.26 does not apply to transformers. That, however has already been discussed on this forum. So let's not side tract this thread.

 

[SoFloBuc]

I would agree it would not apply to the junction box but 110.26 states "all equipment" and "subject to exam, adjustment, servicing or maintenance"...seemingly applicable for the controller.

well I guess maybe i will have tell the homeowner to tell FP&L to relocate their equipment. Because i cant touch it.

 

[augie47]

well I guess maybe i will have tell the homeowner to tell FP&L to relocate their equipment. Because i cant touch it.

I agree, If they are the only ones to exam or troubleshoot it then they are the ones who need the proper clearance.

 

[Fred B]

it is my understanding art. 110.26 is more for control boards, panels, transformers etc. not junction boxes!! But before I argue I am looking for validation.

I would agree it would not apply to the junction box but 110.26 states "all equipment" and "subject to exam, adjustment, servicing or maintenance"...seemingly applicable for the controller.

It's for electrical equipment that is likely to require work while energized. This thing doesn't. That is my argument. And I see Gus posted before me, and he disagrees with me.

By the way, and just FYI, there is some disagreement on this point, but I believe 110.26 does not apply to transformers. That, however has already been discussed on this forum. So let's not side tract this thread.

110.26 says what it says. I would agree with inspector it is a violation of the working space.
I also would think he would have called out the unsupported MC/BX cable to the water heater.

 

[jaggedben]

It's for electrical equipment that is likely to require work while energized. This thing doesn't. That is my argument. ...

I now lean towards it does. That is, it may require work while energized and needs working space. If the relay stops working how will you troubleshoot it without it being energized?

Definitely a borderline call and the inspector has made his decision and I don't have a good argument otherwise.

 

[qcroanoke]

I also would think he would have called out the unsupported MC/BX cable to the water heater.

That's funny because if you blowup the pic that's a strap on the wall under it.

 

[qcroanoke]

well I guess maybe i will have tell the homeowner to tell FP&L to relocate their equipment. Because i cant touch it.

It actually looks like it may have a lock on it.

 

[LarryFine]

 

[roger]

well I guess maybe i will have tell the homeowner to tell FP&L to relocate their equipment. Because i cant touch it.

Exactly what I'd do as well as CC the inspector and FP&L in my letter or email.