mphillipps
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Using 12-3, I would like to wire a new kitchen (16 total receptacles) with (2) GFCI breakers. Can this be done? Is there such a thing called "2 pole, 2 throw GFCI breaker"?
12-3AWG & GFCI Breakers
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hillbilly1
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A double pole GFI breaker would work for what you are wanting to do, or split the circuits out, and use two GFI receptacles in the kitchen.
hillbilly1
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Augie done beat me to it.
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Only two circuits for 16 kitchen receptacles?
hillbilly1
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Code only requires two circuits, it does not limit the number of receptacles in residental.
curt swartz
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I agree but it sounds like this is a good size kitchen if there are 16 receptacles. The homeowner is probably expecting more than code minimum.
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That was my thought. Only 2 SABC's are required but might not be the best design.
hardworkingstiff
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That's the same thing I was thinking.
1793
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Would this not be the case with any new, 210.4(B), MWBC? (2008)
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Yes it would be to some degree. If you use single pole with handle ties then one could trip without the othe tripping. Also GFCI circuits are more prone to trips then a standard circuit.
1793
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I sometimes wrestle with when a 2p should or has to be a "Common" trip. I could see where the wording of 210.4(B) would require the use of a "Common" trip.
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I sometimes wrestle with when a 2p should or has to be a "Common" trip. I could see where the wording of 210.4(B) would require the use of a "Common" trip.
I don't think so. I see it as requiring a simultaneous disconnecting not a common trip.
Art. 240.15(B) may be a place to read and see that 240.15(B)(1) allows handle ties.
1793
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I don't think so. I see it as requiring a simultaneous disconnecting not a common trip.
This is one case where, in my opinion, there are contradictions between Articles. I have to leave now so I can make pennies, but you can bet I'll be processing this one most of the day.
mphillipps
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The kitchen is 20 x 12. 17 light fixture and 16 receptacles. Too many light and too many receptacle... but I'm the the architect... just a mere electrician.
It looks like my best option is (2) GFCI receptacles at the start of each run and the other receptacles down stream.
I just want to be sure that I can use 12-3 and use its common neutral and not have the GFCIs trip.
It looks like my best option is (2) GFCI receptacles at the start of each run and the other receptacles down stream.
I just want to be sure that I can use 12-3 and use its common neutral and not have the GFCIs trip.
jumper
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I have used many GFCIs on split MWBCs with no problems.
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mphillipps
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So... I take it that there in not such a thing.
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