15A AFCI/GFCI SELF-TEST TR REC WHT

[TGW]

On new construction can this be used on the first device in a kitchen counter in place of a AFCI/GFCI breaker

 

[xformer]

On new construction can this be used on the first device in a kitchen counter in place of a AFCI/GFCI breaker

Can what be used?

 

[augie47]

I believe to do so would require a metallic wiring method from the supply to the device {210.12(A)(5)}

 

[hbiss]

No, it would have to be a​

15A AFCI/GFCI SELF-TEST TR REC IV ​

-Hal

 

[ramsy]

I believe to do so would require a metallic wiring method from the supply to the device

Augie refers to 210.12(A)(5) where adopted for new work, but there are other methods.

* Old Work Method - 406.4(D)3&4 replacement code allows breakers, or AF/GF Outlets at first opening, regardless of existing-wiring method.

* Universal Method - CAFCI breaker w/ GFCI outlet at first opening. Works for all work & wiring methods.
Only method available before Dual Function breakers / outlets existed.

* Numb Nutz Method - No AFCI at all, and GFCI reset buttons on every outlet, or other than first outlet.
Found in > 90% of all tenements after 1st remodel. Passes inspection in all States w/ Numb Nutz combination / General / code-enforcement inspectors

* Chamber of Commerce Method - Lobby legislators to amend out AFCI's, and De-fund AHJ's with dedicated-electrical inspectors.
Building Associations want laborers to rip Romex without AFCI's, and are forcing all inspectors to pass Numb Nutz Method in several States.

 

[TGW]

Can what be used?

15 AMP AFCI/GFCI SELF TEST RECEPTACLE at the first outlet

 

[augie47]

Is your question answered ?

 

[TGW]

Is your question answered ?

no

 

[TGW]

you are saying it can not be used

 

[Fred B]

you are saying it can not be used

Only if using metallic raceway or wireing methods between branch origination and first receptacle. Otherwise AFCI must be at the origin of the branch circuit.

 

[augie47]

I agree with Fred (if this is a new circuit and the breaker is a standard non GFCI/AFCI)

 

[TGW]

so that receptacle is only intended for remodels and circuits run in EMT

 

[jap]

so that receptacle is only intended for remodels and circuits run in EMT

The intent of the receptacle has nothing to do with it.

It's about Arc Fault protection of the circuit conductors.

You had asked if that device could be used "at the first outlet" instead of using a breaker as the circuit conductor protection.

Where Arc Fault protection is required, It could be used "at the first outlet" if the proper wiring method such as EMT or other approved methods are used to protect the circuit conductors between that first outlet and its origin at the (breaker panel) simply put.

EMT or other approved methods greatly reduces the chances of the circuit conductors being penetrated by a nail, screw, etc... that may cause a an arcing fault.

If you do not use a proper wiring method such as EMT or other approved wiring methods to reduce the chance of the circuit conductors being damaged,then no, you can't install it at the first outlet since the wiring ahead of the first outlet would not be Arc Fault protected properly.

Or so they say.

JAP>

 

[TGW]

Thanks