15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

[billyelect]

Hey Guys
I Got turned down for having a 15 amp plugmold strip connected to 20amp small appliance circuit in kitchen, this was the only way to comply with counter top outlets because no backsplash we had to install under upper cabinet. please give be your feed back, thanks billy.

 

[George Stolz]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

See 210.52(C)(5), and ask the inspector to cite a reference.

 

[infinity]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

As George said you'll need to ask him for a specific code reference to see what (if anything)has been violated. Your installation sounds fine to me as long as your not more than 20" above the countertop or more than 12" below the countertop with your wiremold. See 250.52(5).

 

[sheldon_ace]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

I did a similar installation in new york. The homeowner did not want to see any outlets in her kitchen, she was looking for a clean look. We found some stainless steel plug mold and mounted it directly under the upper cabinet near the back wall. The inspector was so impressed that he was thinking on doing it in his own house.

 

[travisw]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

The state inspector will not let us use the 15 amp prewired plugmold. He has asked us to use the 20 amp plugmold or if we wanted to use the 15 amp receptacles to not use the prewired but to wire it ourselves with #12 to be in line with the ul listing and overcurrent protection of the SA circuit.

 

[billyelect]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

Re states inspectors request using 20 amp plug mold verses 15 amp is this NEC rule or code article? What article or category this falls under? Please help thanks Billy

 

[peter d]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

Do the 15 amp plugmolds have #14 or #12 wire internally?

 

[charlie b]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">210.11(C)(1): You need two or more 20 amp SA branch circuits.</font>

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">210.3: A branch circuit's rating is based on the overcurrent device, not on the rating of any single load.</font>

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• <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">210.21(B)(3): A 20 amp branch circuit can have 15 amp receptacles, so long as there are at least two of them on the circuit.</font>

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bottom line: You don't need to use 20 amp receptacles for the receptacles powered by the Small Appliance circuits. You also don't need to use 20 amp rated plugmold.

 

[peter d]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

I think the issue may be if the 15 amp plugmold contains #14 wire. We can't use #14 wire on a small appliance branch circuit.

 

[takelly]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

The UL people make it very clear that 15 amp Plug mold is not to be used on a 20 amp circuit. I am enclosing Tom Litchtenstein or Ul answer to the question.

"15-ampere multioutlet assemblies (UL-PVGT) are intended for use only on 15-ampere branch circuits.
Tom Lichtenstein, Ext. 42160
Staff Engineer, Regulatory Services Underwriters Laboratories Inc."

 

[infinity]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

"15-ampere multioutlet assemblies (UL-PVGT) are intended for use only on 15-ampere branch circuits.

UL does not include 2000 Series Factory Wired Plugmold on it's list of items covered under UL-PVGT.

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[takelly]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

Sorry if the information that I posted was wrong, I got the information from this website.

www.mikeholt.com/news/archive/ html/master/MultioutletAssemblies.htm - 13k -

I took it at face value and did not bother to check out the UL white book to see if it was still current as I should have.

I see now that it should have been double checked before I posted it.

 

[infinity]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

I think the issue may be if the 15 amp plugmold contains #14 wire. We can't use #14 wire on a small appliance branch circuit.

I would agree that #14 AWG conductors are prohibited on 20 amp SA circuits in this application but according to the Wiremold website all 15 amp, 2000 series factory wired plugmold strips are wired with #12 AWG.

 

[billyelect]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

Hey their you guys,
I want to thank you all for your input on the subject of 15 amp plug mold VS 20 amp on SA circuit, i think this was very helpful information we all have similar situations at times not knowing what to do, I hope mike will add this topic to the next seminar. If you want to know what the results are Just post your inquiry on friday i will have an answer for you Thanks once more Billy.

 

[billyelect]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

Hey Guys,
It's Billy again, I am Happy To Report that i spoke to the electrical inspector this morning and ask him to read 210.21{B}[3] he was verry polite and said that my 15 amp plugmold on 20 amp SA circuit was OK and He Gave me My Final Inspection. I Want to thank you all for for?your comments they were all helpful and educational, I look forward to hear from you again,
Thanks Billy [Billyelect]

 

[George Stolz]

Re: 15amp Plugmold on strip on SA circuit

Hey Guys,
It's Billy again, I am Happy To Report that i spoke to the electrical inspector this morning and ask him to read 210.21{B}[3] he was verry polite and said that my 15 amp plugmold on 20 amp SA circuit was OK and He Gave me My Final Inspection. I Want to thank you all for for your comments they were all helpful and educational, I look forward to hear from you again,
Thanks Billy [Billyelect]

Good deal!

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