Let me start by saying, I am not an estimator. As an engineer, I am being asked by a client to estimate the cost of a new 1600A service. I used Means 2003 to come up with a number but it seems really high. The service feeder will be 200 feet. The owner will require two 1600A services. I am coming up with $59,200 for each. Does this sound reasonable? He just wants a budgetary number.
1600A Service estimate
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petersonra
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Re: 1600A Service estimate
sounds cheap to me.
sounds cheap to me.
Re: 1600A Service estimate
It is actually four feeders. Each feeder is 200'.
#1 4 EA 3" COND, 4#500 THW, AL W/1200A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
#2 3 EA 3" COND, 4#500 THW, CU W/1000A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
#3 4 EA 4" COND, 4#600 THW, CU W/1600A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
#4 2 EA 2 1/2" COND, 4#350 THW, AL W/400A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
I received more information from the client. The first two feeders terminate at the circuit breakers at one end of the building. The second terminate at the circuit breakers at the other end of the building. He wants to know what it would cost him to re-do it all.
It is actually four feeders. Each feeder is 200'.
#1 4 EA 3" COND, 4#500 THW, AL W/1200A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
#2 3 EA 3" COND, 4#500 THW, CU W/1000A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
#3 4 EA 4" COND, 4#600 THW, CU W/1600A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
#4 2 EA 2 1/2" COND, 4#350 THW, AL W/400A ENCL, SE RATED BREAKER
I received more information from the client. The first two feeders terminate at the circuit breakers at one end of the building. The second terminate at the circuit breakers at the other end of the building. He wants to know what it would cost him to re-do it all.
Re: 1600A Service estimate
Thias,
Just those 4 runs will run $144,000. That is with 61.99 and hour(Union labor and burden) It also included 10% overhead, and 10% profit. I included a unistrut rack for all the pipes to go on, if they are going to diffrent places there will be more material. This price does not include the switchgear it is just the pipe runs with wire. The labor alone for this is 651 hours. Hope this helps,
Thias,
Just those 4 runs will run $144,000. That is with 61.99 and hour(Union labor and burden) It also included 10% overhead, and 10% profit. I included a unistrut rack for all the pipes to go on, if they are going to diffrent places there will be more material. This price does not include the switchgear it is just the pipe runs with wire. The labor alone for this is 651 hours. Hope this helps,
highkvoltage
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Re: 1600A Service estimate
chrsb. Just curious. What software did you use?
chrsb. Just curious. What software did you use?
Re: 1600A Service estimate
I used EBM, the material prices might be a little off but I have found the labor units are pretty good. I don't trust the EPIC prices that are with the program so I still get quotes on the big ticket items like pipe and wire. The 144k price is probally a little high maybe 5% or so, but it is in the ball park. I did't alow for multiple pipes on the rack either so that could knock it down another 20% if you use the tables.
[ February 23, 2005, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: chrsb ]
I used EBM, the material prices might be a little off but I have found the labor units are pretty good. I don't trust the EPIC prices that are with the program so I still get quotes on the big ticket items like pipe and wire. The 144k price is probally a little high maybe 5% or so, but it is in the ball park. I did't alow for multiple pipes on the rack either so that could knock it down another 20% if you use the tables.
[ February 23, 2005, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: chrsb ]
Re: 1600A Service estimate
Hard to figure without the proper info.
What is the IC rating? 10,000k 65,000K
Huge difference in price.
Do you have an electrical engineer you work with to design the job? POCO will require an engineered stamped drawing for something this big.
[ February 23, 2005, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: bigjohn67 ]
Hard to figure without the proper info.
What is the IC rating? 10,000k 65,000K
Huge difference in price.
Do you have an electrical engineer you work with to design the job? POCO will require an engineered stamped drawing for something this big.
[ February 23, 2005, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: bigjohn67 ]
petersonra
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Re: 1600A Service estimate
best way to estimate this kind of stuff is to think this way.
A) how much is the customer willing to spend?
B) if you had to put the squeeze on him, how much extra would he be able to come up with to pay for it?
Add A and B together, double it, and then add 50% contingency just in case.
Stuff like this can seem ungodly expensive if you haven't dealt with it much before. After the first couple of shocks to your system when you see the bills you get over it.
best way to estimate this kind of stuff is to think this way.
A) how much is the customer willing to spend?
B) if you had to put the squeeze on him, how much extra would he be able to come up with to pay for it?
Add A and B together, double it, and then add 50% contingency just in case.
Stuff like this can seem ungodly expensive if you haven't dealt with it much before. After the first couple of shocks to your system when you see the bills you get over it.
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