192 kW pump

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hi
I have warehouse (with a 1000A, 277/480V service )
converting to wine bottling shop that and it is receiving a huge pump, 192 Kw @ 480v. 120' away from the power source,
Horse power= ???????

What is FLA?
What size wire?
what size OCPD?

Thank you
Edwardo
 
hi
I have warehouse (with a 1000A, 277/480V service )
converting to wine bottling shop that and it is receiving a huge pump, 192 Kw @ 480v. 120' away from the power source,
Horse power= ???????

What is FLA?
What size wire?
what size OCPD?

Thank you
Edwardo

Please look at the motor's nameplate, and see all the data. BTW, 192 kW is around 257 HP.
 
hi
I have warehouse (with a 1000A, 277/480V service )
converting to wine bottling shop that and it is receiving a huge pump, 192 Kw @ 480v. 120' away from the power source,
Horse power= ???????

What is FLA?
What size wire?
what size OCPD?

Thank you
Edwardo

If you have the power in kW* why would you need it in HP?
FWIW I agree with topgone's figure of 257HP.

Current will depend on efficiency and power factor and efficiency but probably in the region of 320A.

*where did the kW figure come from?
If it is a pump rating, for example, you to take account of pump efficiency.
 
I agree with topgone it is better to find the motor name plate data.
The motor will draw from the grid an apparent power in kVA=kw/eff/pf eff=efficiency for such a motor if it is a standard construction one speed eff=0.9-0.97 and pf=power factor or cosfi=0.8-0.9.Also the rated
voltage could be 480 V but usually it is 460 V. If you know kVA FLA=1000*kVA/Volt [A].
If you intend to follow NEC prescriptions then you need the FLC according to Table 430.250 Full-Load Current, Three-Phase Alternating-Current Motors for 300 HP and 460 V FLC= 361 A. According to art.430.22 the ampacity of conductor for single motor supply has to be not less than 125% of FLC. The overload protecting device has to be set also to not more than 125% of FLC [see art.430.32 for continuous duty].
You may choose the supply cable according to raceway and ambient according to art.310.
NEC does not indicate how to handle voltage drop. But you have to check the voltage drop for continuous maximum load and for starting conditions according to IEEE 141[for instance] or else.
 
I'd be willing to bet that this is a standard sized 160kW motor designed for 400V 50Hz, but by connecting it to 480V 60Hz (which will work because the V/Hz ratio is the same), the faster speed increases the mechanical kW rating by 6/5, which comes out to 192kW. But this is insufficient information to determine the motor nameplate FLC, you can only guess, albeit with hand-grenade accuracy.

Wire size is NOT determined by FLC however, it is determined by the charts in article 430, which are based solely on HP. Because of that, the calculated 257HP relegates you to use conductor sizing from the table based upon 300HP, because it is more than 250HP. That's just the way it is. However, when you adjust for voltage drop from there, you may end up in the same place anyway.

OCPD sizing can likely be selected using that hand-grenade guess on FLC of 320A, because the sizing rules have quite a bit of fudge in them anyway. If you end up on the ragged edge though, it may mean closer examination.

Given that this is a pump however, I would seriously inquire as to the design criteria used in this. If it is a centrifugal pump, and the 160kW motor size was selected based on flow of the pump at 50Hz motor speed, the increased flow at the new 60Hz motor speed will increase the motor power requirement 173% to 277kW, or roughly 371HP. Your 257HP motor will be seriously over loaded. If they have however restricted the flow from the pump with a valve to be the same as it would have been with the motor running at 50Hz, then it will be fine (until some future fool opens that valve more to get more flow). I've noticed that importers tend to get that little detail wrong quite a bit though, so be careful.
 
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