1P Or 3P panel

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If I have a secondary side of xfrmr(120/208v) feeding a 225A temporary panel that has individual 2P breakers in it that are feeding 60A single phase panels does the temp panel HAVE to be Single phase or Three phase? I'm confused because the temp panel is being feed by a xfrmr but also feeding single phase panels?
 
It's common to supply 120/208v 1ph from 208Y/120v 3ph with 2p breakers.

With a 3ph transformer, you want a 3ph panel, or you will only load 2 phases.
 
It's common to supply 120/208v 1ph from 208Y/120v 3ph with 2p breakers.

With a 3ph transformer, you want a 3ph panel, or you will only load 2 phases.
So to be clear I can/ want a 3P panel( with 2P breakers in it) to feed single phase panels? You were clear but just making sure :)
 
So to be clear I can/ want a 3P panel( with 2P breakers in it) to feed single phase panels? You were clear but just making sure :)
Yes that's correct. You have a 3 phase output of the transformer feeding a 3 phase panel. From that panel you can feed both single phase and three phase loads.
 
I think that the single phase part of a 3 phase system is confusing for many people to grasp.

In the system here 208Y/120 volts there are two different single phase voltages 120 volts and 208 volts. 120 would come from a single pole circuit breaker, 208 would come from a two pole circuit breaker.
 
I think that the single phase part of a 3 phase system is confusing for many people to grasp.

In the system here 208Y/120 volts there are two different single phase voltages 120 volts and 208 volts. 120 would come from a single pole circuit breaker, 208 would come from a two pole circuit breaker.
yes 1P and 3P is tough for me to grasp. I've watched videos about how it's generated and the magnet, cycles, frequency, hetz etc. Hard to understand..lol

This video was pretty good but still tough to follow.

 
yes 1P and 3P is tough for me to grasp. I've watched videos about how it's generated and the magnet, cycles, frequency, hetz etc. Hard to understand..lol

This video was pretty good but still tough to follow.
He's talking about two different systems, a single phase system and a three phase system. The discussion in this thread is about both single phase circuits (120 or 208 volts) that are derived from a one system that being a 3Ø, 4W, 208Y/120 volt system.
 
Not to make things more difficult, but if you have 3 phase available at your service, the SERVICE PANEL should be be 3 phase. That’s because it’s important to have balanced loads on the 3 phases IF you have some 3 phase loads, especially things with 3 phase motors. If you feed single phase sub panels from there with 2 pole breakers, that’s allowed, but it becomes more difficult to make sure the loads are balanced. For that reason, I always recommend using 3 phase sub panels and just feeding single phase (and/or 3 phase) loads from them, paying attention to balancing those loads.

But sometimes when you have a system, such as an apartment or condo complex, where all of the loads are single phase, load balancing is not as important and all of the sub panels can be single phase. One reason is that most residents will not be able to understand 3 phase distribution and although not really a technical problem, it can be a nuisance for managers to keep answering questions (been there, done that). Unbalanced loads might affect the transformer and utility primary, which is why we should always try to balance them as best we can, but really that’s more their problem.
 
Not to make things more difficult, but if you have 3 phase available at your service, the SERVICE PANEL should be be 3 phase. That’s because it’s important to have balanced loads on the 3 phases IF you have some 3 phase loads, especially things with 3 phase motors. If you feed single phase sub panels from there with 2 pole breakers, that’s allowed, but it becomes more difficult to make sure the loads are balanced. For that reason, I always recommend using 3 phase sub panels and just feeding single phase (and/or 3 phase) loads from them, paying attention to balancing those loads.

But sometimes when you have a system, such as an apartment or condo complex, where all of the loads are single phase, load balancing is not as important and all of the sub panels can be single phase. One reason is that most residents will not be able to understand 3 phase distribution and although not really a technical problem, it can be a nuisance for managers to keep answering questions (been there, done that). Unbalanced loads might affect the transformer and utility primary, which is why we should always try to balance them as best we can, but really that’s more their problem.

All good advice, but since this is about temporary power, I probably wouldn’t worry too much about it if I had the single phase equipment already in hand.
 
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