I installed the above and the inspector turned it down. I know if the service equipment and gas were enclosed this would not be correct. why can't this be done I looked up class 1 codes and to the best of my knowledge as long as it is open it is no problem. there is also a well pump with open windings about two feet from the same meter. can I bond the meter to the service or make a cover for the gas meter.
200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
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charlie
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Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
NFPA 54 requires 3 ft of clearance from spark producing devices. Since the meter is not a spark producing device, I agree with you. However, 110.26 must also be followed. We have to get to the meter and that section applies.
Along with that, most electric utilities have their own rules concerning what may be in the vicinity of their meter.
NFPA 54 requires 3 ft of clearance from spark producing devices. Since the meter is not a spark producing device, I agree with you. However, 110.26 must also be followed. We have to get to the meter and that section applies.
Along with that, most electric utilities have their own rules concerning what may be in the vicinity of their meter.
rick hart
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Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
It sounds like the panel was installed in a location where dedicated space-workintg clearance- could not be provided, assuming the gas meter was there first.
110.26(a)
It sounds like the panel was installed in a location where dedicated space-workintg clearance- could not be provided, assuming the gas meter was there first.
110.26(a)
Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
Some gas utilites will not allow you to enclose a gas meter. Dominio East Ohio is one of them. During World War 2 the War Materials Board made them build 2 liquified natural gas tanks out of substandard thickness steel and insulation. Both tanks eventually ruptured causing a whole neighborhood to burn down. The sewers turned into a gigantic flame thrower. If you want your gasfitting job to pass, do not mention this incident to the inspector form Dominion East Ohio. They are still sore about it.
Some gas utilites will not allow you to enclose a gas meter. Dominio East Ohio is one of them. During World War 2 the War Materials Board made them build 2 liquified natural gas tanks out of substandard thickness steel and insulation. Both tanks eventually ruptured causing a whole neighborhood to burn down. The sewers turned into a gigantic flame thrower. If you want your gasfitting job to pass, do not mention this incident to the inspector form Dominion East Ohio. They are still sore about it.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
Around here, the normal routine is that nothing electrical can be located within a 3' sphere around the regulator on the gas meter. In addition to this rule, nothing electrical may be within a 1' vertical plane of the gas meter assembly.
Around here, the gas regulator is on the left side of the gas metering assembly. The assembly is 2 feet wide.
So, imagine a house facing north. If the service is on the east wall of the house, and the gas pipe from the interior of the house is at 5' from the north face, due to the left-to-right nature of the gas metering assembly, you have a 4 foot zone at the northernmost face of the wall to install your service.
If the service were on the west side of the same house, with the interior pipe stubbed out at 5', the gas metering would be 2' wide, leaving the three foot sphere for the gas regulator, leaving zero feet to install your service. It would have to be on the right side of the gas meter.
Thanks to Charlie, I now know that the source of this requirement is NFPA 54. I figured it was on the books somewhere.
The inspector is probably working in concert with the energy companies, nipping you in the bud. It's an NEC compliant installation, but the homeowner will take little solace from that when he has no gas service to his house.
Your friendly power company probably has a diagram for their requirements regarding services and gas meters.
Around here, the normal routine is that nothing electrical can be located within a 3' sphere around the regulator on the gas meter. In addition to this rule, nothing electrical may be within a 1' vertical plane of the gas meter assembly.
Around here, the gas regulator is on the left side of the gas metering assembly. The assembly is 2 feet wide.
So, imagine a house facing north. If the service is on the east wall of the house, and the gas pipe from the interior of the house is at 5' from the north face, due to the left-to-right nature of the gas metering assembly, you have a 4 foot zone at the northernmost face of the wall to install your service.
If the service were on the west side of the same house, with the interior pipe stubbed out at 5', the gas metering would be 2' wide, leaving the three foot sphere for the gas regulator, leaving zero feet to install your service. It would have to be on the right side of the gas meter.
Thanks to Charlie, I now know that the source of this requirement is NFPA 54. I figured it was on the books somewhere.
The inspector is probably working in concert with the energy companies, nipping you in the bud. It's an NEC compliant installation, but the homeowner will take little solace from that when he has no gas service to his house.
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Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
How can 110.26 apply?
That aside the utilities in this area do have their own rules regarding meter placement and if you want to get a cash register installed in that wide spot you better follow the power company rules.
Now wait a minute...the meter socket "is just a wide spot" in the service entrance raceway or conductors.
How can 110.26 apply?
That aside the utilities in this area do have their own rules regarding meter placement and if you want to get a cash register installed in that wide spot you better follow the power company rules.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
Hang on...
[ April 16, 2005, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
Hang on...
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Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
What the heck...
[ April 16, 2005, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
What the heck...
[ April 16, 2005, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
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Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
Huston, we have a problem.
[ April 16, 2005, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
Huston, we have a problem.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
I'll outsmart this POS yet!
[ April 16, 2005, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
I'll outsmart this POS yet!
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
Notice the circle in the picture is centered on the regulator on the left, not the meter as a whole.
Notice the circle in the picture is centered on the regulator on the left, not the meter as a whole.
allenwayne
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Re: 200 amp service residential located above the gas meter
We had this same problem a few years ago and all the gas company had to do was extend thier vent and the meter(gas)could stay as long as it didn`t encrouch the 30 X 36 requirerment
We had this same problem a few years ago and all the gas company had to do was extend thier vent and the meter(gas)could stay as long as it didn`t encrouch the 30 X 36 requirerment
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