2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
Every jursidiction is different. You must check with the local inspector.
Every jursidiction is different. You must check with the local inspector.
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
The NEC only comes into effect when adopted by a unit of government. Some areas are still using the 99 code. Check with the AHJ in your area.
Don
The NEC only comes into effect when adopted by a unit of government. Some areas are still using the 99 code. Check with the AHJ in your area.
Don
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
AHJ = Authority Having Jurisdiction (local inspector)
AHJ = Authority Having Jurisdiction (local inspector)
Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
The AHJ is the authority having jurisdiction. This person is referred to many times in the code and is granted a great deal of power. It is usually (but not always) the inspector. You will need to find out who the AHJ is in your jurisdiction.
[ August 10, 2005, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: haskindm ]
The AHJ is the authority having jurisdiction. This person is referred to many times in the code and is granted a great deal of power. It is usually (but not always) the inspector. You will need to find out who the AHJ is in your jurisdiction.
[ August 10, 2005, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: haskindm ]
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
A city I went to to pull a permit is still on the 96 NEC.
A city I went to to pull a permit is still on the 96 NEC.
wbalsam1
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
Hi:
In New York State, we were on the '93 version for the longest time, then skipped right past the '96 and adopted the '99. We've been on this one quite a while, and in Jan, Feb or March of 2006 it looks very likely that we'll move up to the '05, bypassing the 2002 altogether.
It sure is confusing gearing up and training on the "latest" edition and then not using it, then studying the code changes for the current code cycle and being two cycles behind....phew! Oh well, it's actually getting better all the time with the adoption of the international family of codes with our state enhancements.
Our AHJ is the building official of the community who is appointed by the elected body. This keeps police powers within the proper hands. Electrical inspectors, however, for the most part are employed by "third parties" who compete for the inspection dollar....this sets up a dangerous situation in many cases, though. It sure isn't a perfect system. Many of the inspection agencies do not approve of licensing electrical inspectors, claiming they will have to pay their inspectors more $ if they are certified. Go figure
Hi:
In New York State, we were on the '93 version for the longest time, then skipped right past the '96 and adopted the '99. We've been on this one quite a while, and in Jan, Feb or March of 2006 it looks very likely that we'll move up to the '05, bypassing the 2002 altogether.
It sure is confusing gearing up and training on the "latest" edition and then not using it, then studying the code changes for the current code cycle and being two cycles behind....phew! Oh well, it's actually getting better all the time with the adoption of the international family of codes with our state enhancements.
Our AHJ is the building official of the community who is appointed by the elected body. This keeps police powers within the proper hands. Electrical inspectors, however, for the most part are employed by "third parties" who compete for the inspection dollar....this sets up a dangerous situation in many cases, though. It sure isn't a perfect system. Many of the inspection agencies do not approve of licensing electrical inspectors, claiming they will have to pay their inspectors more $ if they are certified. Go figure
paul
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
We've been on the 05 for awhile. WA is pretty good about adopting the new codes by May or June of that year. The inspectors are pretty good and will let you use either code until the new one is adopted in the code cycle year.
We've been on the 05 for awhile. WA is pretty good about adopting the new codes by May or June of that year. The inspectors are pretty good and will let you use either code until the new one is adopted in the code cycle year.
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
Don
In my opinion the inspector is never the AHJ. The AHJ is the unit of government that has the power to adopt an electrical code. This unit of government may grant broad powers to the inspector, letting him/her act as the AHJ, but the final authority rests with the government unit and not the individual inspector(s).
Don
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Don,
In the county where I live the electric board has been designated as the AHJ. This keeps the inspectors in line because their decisions may be appealed to the electric board. The government authority that adopts the code is the county commissioners. It would be disastrous if they were considered the AHJ. It would take months if not years for a decision to be reached and they have no clue about electrical installations!
Don,
In the county where I live the electric board has been designated as the AHJ. This keeps the inspectors in line because their decisions may be appealed to the electric board. The government authority that adopts the code is the county commissioners. It would be disastrous if they were considered the AHJ. It would take months if not years for a decision to be reached and they have no clue about electrical installations!
mvannevel
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Re: 2002 verse 2005 NEC Code Books
Here in MI, the State designates the individual Building Departments as the AHJ and that authority is then delegated to the electrical inspector for the governmental subdivision served. This can be the city, township, county, or state inspector. The Board of Appeals has no authority for interpretation of the administration of the code and they can't waive requirements of the code. They do however act as a check and balance for the inspectors, which is as it should be. Inspector's decisions can be appealed to the Board if the issue can't be resolved between the permit holder and the AHJ. If the Building Official or the Board of Appeals is designated as the AHJ, it can become cumbersome to resolve day to day issues relating to inspections. Any interpretations would technically always need to come from the Board rather than the inspector.
That having been said, do inspectors sometimes abuse this authority? Sure, it happens. Just the same as it does with judges, politicians, policemen, and even sometimes foremen on job sites. It's human nature at one of it's lowest ebbs. Not a perfect system, but it's the best one we've got.
Here in MI, the State designates the individual Building Departments as the AHJ and that authority is then delegated to the electrical inspector for the governmental subdivision served. This can be the city, township, county, or state inspector. The Board of Appeals has no authority for interpretation of the administration of the code and they can't waive requirements of the code. They do however act as a check and balance for the inspectors, which is as it should be. Inspector's decisions can be appealed to the Board if the issue can't be resolved between the permit holder and the AHJ. If the Building Official or the Board of Appeals is designated as the AHJ, it can become cumbersome to resolve day to day issues relating to inspections. Any interpretations would technically always need to come from the Board rather than the inspector.
That having been said, do inspectors sometimes abuse this authority? Sure, it happens. Just the same as it does with judges, politicians, policemen, and even sometimes foremen on job sites. It's human nature at one of it's lowest ebbs. Not a perfect system, but it's the best one we've got.
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