2005 Nec on CD

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What happens should your computer crashe in next 3 years ?
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Jim, It is pretty simple other than buying new computer or hard drive; you just download another copy. At least that is how it works with most of the software.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
Just ask any attorney how much he spends on law books. Yes, all of the laws are available for free viewing in person at some office or in many cases online, but that does not serve the purpose of the attorney so he buys the copyrighted version for convenience. This is the same for an electrician that wants his own copy of the code?for his convenience.
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Excellant analogy !
 
Sorry but i dont agree.Laws can not be copywrite protected.Now if a publisher puts together a book containing the laws his book has copywrite protection.Nothing stops anyone else from publishing there own book of the same laws and enjoying that same right of protection.I have every right to read anyones copy as long as they allow me to do so.So what i am viewing is a friends copy that he has made available for his friends to use.Follow what has happened with first Napster and then the copy cats.They have gave up trying to stop it as they will never win without breaking laws themself.
 
dlhoule said:
Jim, It is pretty simple other than buying new computer or hard drive; you just download another copy. At least that is how it works with most of the software.
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If you need to reformat your hard drive it will look just like a new hard drive.The choice is yours on how much you pay.They may grant you a right after calling them to load it a 3 rd time.
 
Jim what you doing is steeling no matter what spin you want to put on it.

So as I said your customers should refuse to pay you when you install items they did not ask for but are required by the code.

It's no different than you refusing to pay the NEC for a copy of the rules you need to do your work.

Yes I can show my friends the book, I can not print it out on billboards.
 
iwire said:
Jim what you doing is steeling no matter what spin you want to put on it.

So as I said your customers should refuse to pay you when you install items they did not ask for but are required by the code.

It's no different than you refusing to pay the NEC for a copy of the rules you need to do your work.

Yes I can show my friends the book, I can not print it out on billboards.
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Bob ,yes you may print it on billboardsAs far a charging for bringing things to code ,that depends on what your contract calls for.Often bids are only for whats on the print.Items required by code that were not contracted for are EXTRAS.Also note that often users of this forum copy and paste sections of the code they purchased.Is that not copying ?
 
Jim, a thief is a thief period. :rolleyes: Yeah, as you said, FL has changed, the natives, unlike yourself, had integrity.


Roger
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Also note that often users of this forum copy and paste sections of the code they purchased.Is that not copying ?
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Yes, it is.

If you actually take the time to look into things instead of shooting from the hip you would find that in general you can use small sections of copyrighted material with source given.

Your as proud as peacock that you got it free don't let my opinion bring you down.
 
iwire said:
Yes, it is.

If you actually take the time to look into things instead of shooting from the hip you would find that in general you can use small sections of copyrighted material with source given.

Your as proud as peacock that you got it free don't let my opinion bring you down.
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And just where does it give this permission ? Perhaps i missed that page.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Also note that often users of this forum copy and paste sections of the code they purchased.
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I've never copy-and-pasted from a code I purchased.

Jim W in Tampa said:
And just where does it give this permission ? Perhaps i missed that page.
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How many times have we seen "The NEC is a permissive code; if it's not prohibited, it's allowed?"


Of course, I'm kidding.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
And just where does it give this permission ? Perhaps i missed that page.
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It's on a page that is only available to honest people that do not steal.

Sorry Jim, you didn't qualify. ;) :D :D :D

Roger
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
And just where does it give this permission ? Perhaps i missed that page.
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You missed it becuse you did not look.

It's called "fair use"

How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See FL 102, Fair Use, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians
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You can find more info here

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/

But lets not change the subject.
 
How long are we going to keep this thread going? Lets face it a person either has integrity or they don't. This is a pretty clear cut issue. Why discuss it any further?
 
yo guys .. just so happens my computer did have to be wiped cuz of a virus .. I called NFPA and told them the story , gave them my access code and they gave me 2 more downloads ... great ... pay the money and you get the bennies ... the pdf is like reading a book on a small screen ... I think my purchase was worth the bucks ... happy solstice ... 19hrs 23 minutes daylite here in AK ... midnite sun ... yup ... twilite at 2 am daylite by 3:30 ... m
 
Wow

Wow

happy solstice ... 19hrs 23 minutes daylite here in AK ... midnite sun ... yup ... twilite at 2 am daylite by 3:30 ... m
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I hate to waste any daylight time, but those kind of hours doesn't leave one with much choice.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Sorry but i don't agree. Laws can not be copyright protected.
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I've stayed out of this one too long.

The fact of the matter, Jim, is that you are neither a lawyer (i.e., one who can argue law), nor a judge (i.e., one who can interpret law), nor a legislator (i.e., one who can create law). You are welcome to your own views on what is, and what is not, allowed under the law. But your views are not enforceable, and the laws are.

Another fact of the matter is that the NEC is a copyrighted work. Deal with it.

If you choose to violate the copyright, then the consequences of your actions are yours alone to bear. But please do not use this Forum to encourage any other members to violate the copyright of the NEC or of any other document.
 
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