bphgravity
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I have been extensively reviewing my copy of the 2005 ROP over the last few nights. I am embarrassed to say that of the 6 proposals submitted, only one has been accepted in principle. 
2005 ROP
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Re: 2005 ROP
Bryan, not meaning to sound sarcastic but we could build all motor vehicles like tanks and virtually eliminate all trafic deaths.
Forcing safety to a degree is acceptable, but on the otherhand making somebody buy a tank when they wanted a compct car is not quite freedom of choice.
I have been riding motorcycles for over half of my life and always supported anti helmet laws, was glad to see FL drop theirs, but when I'm in states with no helmet law I will normally still wear mine which is my choice.
Roger
Bryan, not meaning to sound sarcastic but we could build all motor vehicles like tanks and virtually eliminate all trafic deaths.
Forcing safety to a degree is acceptable, but on the otherhand making somebody buy a tank when they wanted a compct car is not quite freedom of choice.
I have been riding motorcycles for over half of my life and always supported anti helmet laws, was glad to see FL drop theirs, but when I'm in states with no helmet law I will normally still wear mine which is my choice.
Roger
bphgravity
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Re: 2005 ROP
I agree to a pont, but are you saying that electricians should be afforded he right to choose how safe they wire a home.
Noone can stop a person that wants to perform risky behavior or unsafe acts by choice, but an unknowning homeowner and their family isn't making that choice as whether to have AFCI protection or not. The code making panel is.
Woulsn't you agree that most of the things we do as electricians to ensure proper safety is unassumming and not made obviuos to the general cunsumer?
I agree to a pont, but are you saying that electricians should be afforded he right to choose how safe they wire a home.
Noone can stop a person that wants to perform risky behavior or unsafe acts by choice, but an unknowning homeowner and their family isn't making that choice as whether to have AFCI protection or not. The code making panel is.
Woulsn't you agree that most of the things we do as electricians to ensure proper safety is unassumming and not made obviuos to the general cunsumer?
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- retired electrician
Re: 2005 ROP
Bryan,
My problem is that I just don't believe that most of the electrical fires are cause by the fixed wiring system, and the code required AFCI provides very little protection beyond the receptacle. Yes, there are types of AFCIs that provide more protection beyond the receptacle, but these types are not required by the code. I also don't beleive that the AFCI detection circuit itself opens for a series fault or a high resistance connection. They open for these types of faults when they progress to a parallel fault or a ground fault. It took a long time for the manufactures to tells us how these devices actually react to series and high resistance type of fault and this misinformation campaign by the manufactures really made me lose my trust for any of the information that they provide on this issue.
I don't believe that the majority of users will perform the required monthly test and have my doubts that these devices will still be functional when needed, based on the fact that 85% of the residential electrcial fires occured in homes over 20 years old.
By the way, it is my understanding that Mike Holt tried to withdraw his proposal after meeting with the CH people and watching some demostrations of AFCIs in action.
Don
Bryan,
My problem is that I just don't believe that most of the electrical fires are cause by the fixed wiring system, and the code required AFCI provides very little protection beyond the receptacle. Yes, there are types of AFCIs that provide more protection beyond the receptacle, but these types are not required by the code. I also don't beleive that the AFCI detection circuit itself opens for a series fault or a high resistance connection. They open for these types of faults when they progress to a parallel fault or a ground fault. It took a long time for the manufactures to tells us how these devices actually react to series and high resistance type of fault and this misinformation campaign by the manufactures really made me lose my trust for any of the information that they provide on this issue.
I don't believe that the majority of users will perform the required monthly test and have my doubts that these devices will still be functional when needed, based on the fact that 85% of the residential electrcial fires occured in homes over 20 years old.
By the way, it is my understanding that Mike Holt tried to withdraw his proposal after meeting with the CH people and watching some demostrations of AFCIs in action.
Don
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