brother
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Im just curious, do others interpet this to mean all EXISTING panels, or just new construction?? Ive been told that its just for new panels (panels under the 2008 nec) and not the old ones. How are other areas enforcing this??
2008 Nec 110.16 Flash Protection
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zog
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Existing ones too.
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The NEC never applies retroactively.
zog
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But the 70E does, thats where the labeling requirement goes "Retroactive"
zog
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What is a "qualified electrician"? If you mean "Qualkified" per the 70E definition, then yes they should know the hazards, but most electricians dont know the hazards, as evidented in this forum daily.
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zog
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But that is not what the man asked is it?
No, but I am guessing the OP isnt aware of the 70E labeling requirement.
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I don't think that you will find many, if any units of government that have adopted 70E as a code, so this will not be enforced by the inspector or AHJ.
There is no obligation to the installing contractor to provide the 70e marking unless called for in the construction documents. It is really the responsibilty of the owner. The only "enforcement will be by OSHA, insurance companies and who ever enforces the contract documents.
brother
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Thanks for the info, I know the place im working now has NOT adopted the Nfpa 70e, and its clearly stated that its a STANDARD and NOT a Code requirement. Im still trying to figure out how far the supervisors want to go with this thing. Looks like they are not actually adopting the 70e in its entirety on some things. There was a debate on wheather or not the NEC required some type of lableing on these panels.
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Brother,
If you are working in a plant, there is no question that OSHA requires the lables and that will apply to both new and existing equipment. My comment was just saying that outside of a contract document there is no requirement for an electrical contractor to provide the 70E required labels.
If you are working in a plant, there is no question that OSHA requires the lables and that will apply to both new and existing equipment. My comment was just saying that outside of a contract document there is no requirement for an electrical contractor to provide the 70E required labels.
brother
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What osha article is that?
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1910.303(e)
Marking --
1910.303(e)(1)
Identification of manufacturer and ratings. Electric equipment may not be used unless the following markings have been placed on the equipment:
1910.303(e)(1)(i)
The manufacturer's name, trademark, or other descriptive marking by which the organization responsible for the product may be identified; and
1910.303(e)(1)(ii)
Other markings giving voltage, current, wattage, or other ratings as necessary.
1910.303(e)(2)
Durability. The marking shall be of sufficient durability to withstand the environment involved.
Marking --
1910.303(e)(1)
Identification of manufacturer and ratings. Electric equipment may not be used unless the following markings have been placed on the equipment:
1910.303(e)(1)(i)
The manufacturer's name, trademark, or other descriptive marking by which the organization responsible for the product may be identified; and
1910.303(e)(1)(ii)
Other markings giving voltage, current, wattage, or other ratings as necessary.
1910.303(e)(2)
Durability. The marking shall be of sufficient durability to withstand the environment involved.
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Don
DOE at least complex wide has adopted 70E and all subs are required to follow.
DOE at least complex wide has adopted 70E and all subs are required to follow.
bobserrano
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NEC 110.16 REQUIRES the marking or labeleing of potential arc flash hazard on the electrical equipment. The reference to NFPA 70E is only a FPN to assist in determining the severity of hazard and the planning in the selection of the PPE to be used. Whether or not your jurisdiction adopts NFPA 70E, the warning is still a requirement per NEC.
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The NEC does require an arc flash warning, but only a generic warning. The rules in 70E require a specific warning with information about the incident energy and PPE that is required at that specific piece of equipment.
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