2017 NEC, Article 314.23 (E),(F)

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Hi everyone, I'd like a help. I think in Article 314.23 the name of sections (E) and (F) should be switched ?
Thank you.
 
I.T said:
where ?...sorry I'm new on the forum
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What Roger is saying is that if you don't like the way a code section is then one can make a proposal to get it changed. You would have to have substantiation on why there is an issue with it as written. The code is sponsored by NFPA. Go to NPA.org but proposal for the 2023 have already been made so the earliest the change, if accepted, would be made is the 2026 NEC
 
If you want input from us then you should explain to us why you think there is an issue. To just say it should be changed makes no sense to us without further detail.
 
Along with Dennis's posts, look in the back pages of your code book, it will tell you how to make a proposal.

Roger
 
thank guys but I'm asking if that is a mistake or it's ok what I'm saying .
Because it's make confused.Thank you
 
Why do you think its wrong?
Its possible the NFPA made a mistake..they can issue a TIA if thats the case.
I looked at the sections and titles, seems OK , so it would help for you to explain your case.
 
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So first English is not my first language and maybe that is hard for me .
(E) says ....An enclosure that does not contain a device(s),other than splicing devices ,or support a luminaries(s) a lampholder, or other equipment so on.. what I'm understanding is : an enclosure may contain.. luminaries(s) a lampholder, or other equipment .,,but the name of the section (E) has .... word WITHOUT DEVICES ,Lum . .

And I think just the name of (E) and (F) should be switched ,because (F) doesn't have ..WITHOUT ..in the discription of section.
 
I.T said:
So first English is not my first language and maybe that is hard for me .
(E) says ....An enclosure that does not contain a device(s),other than splicing devices ,or support a luminaries(s) a lampholder, or other equipment so on.. what I'm understanding is : an enclosure may contain.. luminaries(s) a lampholder, or other equipment .,,but the name of the section (E) has .... word WITHOUT DEVICES ,Lum . .

And I think just the name of (E) and (F) should be switched ,because (F) doesn't have ..WITHOUT ..in the discription of section.
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or maybe (E) should be written like that : (E) Raceway-Supported Enclosure ,Without Device(s).
 
Here are the two sections might make it a little easier to follow along:

314.23(E) Raceway-Supported Enclosure, Without Devices, Luminaires, or Lampholders. An enclosure that does not contain a device(s), other than splicing devices, or supports a luminaire(s), a lampholder, or other equipment and is supported by entering raceways shall not exceed 1650 cm 3 (100 in. 3 ) in size. It shall have threaded entries or identified hubs. It shall be supported by two or more conduits threaded wrenchtight into
the enclosure or hubs. Each conduit shall be secured within 900 mm (3 ft) of the enclosure, or within 450 mm (18 in.) of the enclosure if all conduit entries are on the same side.
Exception: The following wiring methods shall be permitted to support a conduit body of any size, including a conduit body constructed with
only one conduit entry, provided that the trade size of the conduit body is not larger than the largest trade size of the conduit or tubing:
(1) Intermediate metal conduit, Type IMC
(2) Rigid metal conduit, Type RMC
(3) Rigid polyvinyl chloride conduit, Type PVC
(4) Reinforced thermosetting resin conduit, Type RTRC
(5) Electrical metallic tubing, Type EMT
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(F) Raceway-Supported Enclosures, with Devices, Luminaires, or Lampholders. An enclosure that contains a device(s), other
than splicing devices, or supports a luminaire(s), a lampholder, or other equipment and is supported by entering raceways shall not exceed 1650 cm 3 (100 in. 3 ) in size. It shall have threaded entries or identified hubs. It shall be supported by two or more conduits threaded wrenchtight into the enclosure or hubs. Each conduit shall be secured within 450 mm (18 in.) of the enclosure.
Exception No. 1: Rigid metal or intermediate metal conduit shall be permitted to support a conduit body of any size, including a conduit
body constructed with only one conduit entry, provided the trade size of the conduit body is not larger than the largest trade size of the conduit.
Exception No. 2: An unbroken length(s) of rigid or intermediate metal conduit shall be permitted to support a box used for luminaire or lampholder support, or to support a wiring enclosure that is an integral part of a luminaire and used in lieu of a box in accordance with
300.15(B), where all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The conduit is securely fastened at a point so that the length of conduit beyond the last point of conduit support does not exceed 900 mm (3 ft).
(2) The unbroken conduit length before the last point of conduit support is 300 mm (12 in.) or greater, and that portion of the conduit is securely fastened at some point not less than 300 mm (12 in.) from its last point of support.
(3) Where accessible to unqualified persons, the luminaire or lampholder, measured to its lowest point, is at least 2.5 m (8 ft) above grade or standing area and at least 900 mm (3 ft) measured horizontally to the 2.5 m (8 ft) elevation from windows, doors, porches, fire escapes, or similar locations.
(4) A luminaire supported by a single conduit does not exceed 300 mm (12 in.) in any direction from the point of conduit entry.
(5) The weight supported by any single conduit does not exceed 9 kg (20 lb).
(6) At the luminaire or lampholder end, the conduit(s) is threaded wrenchtight into the box, conduit body, integral wiring enclosure, or identified hubs. Where a box or conduit body is used for support, the luminaire shall be secured directly to the box or conduit body, or through a threaded conduit nipple not over 75 mm (3 in.) long.
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(E) is the rules that permit raceways to support enclosures that do not contain devices and does not support a luminaire(s), a lampholder, or other equipment.

(F) contains the rules that permit raceways to support an enclosure that do contain devices and does not support a luminaire(s), a lampholder, or other equipment.

The titles are consistent with how the NEC is written.
 
I.T said:
.. so neither box can't support luminaire(s), a lampholder, or other equipment ?
Thanks
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(F) can, I typed that in and did not copy the code language, so what I typed is not correct.
(F) An enclosure that contains a device(s), other than splicing devices, or supports a luminaire(s), a lampholder, or other equipment and is ...
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