2020 - 210.8(A) & (F)

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First code class on 2020 last night.

Is this correct....
210.8(A)(6) will require ranges now to be GFCI.
210.8(A)(10) will require dryers to be GFCI.
210.8(F) will require outdoor AC unit to be GFCI if cct is 50A's or less.
 
For those if us who do not have the 2020 yet how about posting the code sections.
 
infinity said:
For those if us who do not have the 2020 yet how about posting the code sections.
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No, for the first time since I joined the forum, I'm in the elite! :p
210.8 has some revisions.
210.8(A) added 250 volt.....and supplied by single-phase branch circuits rated 150 volts to ground....
Unfinished was removed for basements.
210.8(F) Outdoor Outlets..... that are supplied by single-phase branch circuits rated 150 volts to ground or less 50 amps or less....
I hope that helps a bit for this thread. I apologize for not posting all of it. I have to go to a meeting, now.
 
210.8(F) requires Outdoor Outlets for Dwellings 50-amps or less and 150-volts to ground or less to have GFCI...(except lighting outlets)
AC condensers was the objective...

Collateral impact will be septic pumps...hard wired electric deicing-snow melting equipment...

Language doesn't appear to extend to dwelling accessory buildings. (Sorry I don't have any way to copy and paste Code)

Glad Massachusetts deleted 210.8(F)
 
shortcircuit2 said:
210.8(F) requires Outdoor Outlets for Dwellings 50-amps or less and 150-volts to ground or less to have GFCI...(except lighting outlets)
AC condensers was the objective...

Collateral impact will be septic pumps...hard wired electric deicing-snow melting equipment...

Language doesn't appear to extend to dwelling accessory buildings. (Sorry I don't have any way to copy and paste Code)

Glad Massachusetts deleted 210.8(F)
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What is meant by "AC condensers was the objective"?

Outside AC units are not plugged into an outlet.

Are we sure the new rule for GFI protection applies to AC units also?, and, If so why?

JAP>
 
jap said:
What is meant by "AC condensers was the objective"?

Outside AC units are not plugged into an outlet.

Are we sure the new rule for GFI protection applies to AC units also?, and, If so why?

JAP>
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I think you're conflating "outlet" with "receptacle."
 
Nec 2020-- Big change in the bold section-- it used to say without piercing a door-- now gone

210.8 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for Personnel.
Ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel shall be provided as required in 210.8(A) through (F). The ground-fault circuit interrupter shall be installed in a readily accessible location.
Informational Note No. 1: See 215.9 for ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel on feeders.
Informational Note No. 2: See 422.5(A) for GFCI requirements for appliances.
Informational Note No. 3: See 555.9 for GFCI requirements for boat hoists.
Informational Note No. 4: Additional GFCI requirements for specific circuits and equipment are contained in Chapters 4, 5, and 6.
For the purposes of this section, when determining the distance from receptacles the distance shall be measured as the shortest path the supply cord of an appliance connected to the receptacle would follow without piercing a floor, wall, ceiling, or fixed barrier, or the shortest path without passing through a window.


210.8(A) Dwelling Units.
All 125-volt through 250-volt receptacles installed in the locations specified in 210.8(A)(1) through (A)⁠(11) and supplied by single-phase branch circuits rated 150 volts or less to ground shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
  1. (1)
    Bathrooms
  2. (2)
    Garages and also accessory buildings that have a floor located at or below grade level not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and areas of similar use
  3. (3)
    Outdoors
    Exception to (3): Receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied by a branch circuit dedicated to electric snow-melting, deicing, or pipeline and vessel heating equipment shall be permitted to be instal⁠led in accordance with 426.28 or 427.22, as applicable.

  4. (4)
    Crawl spaces — at or below grade level
  5. (5)
    Basements
    Exception to (5): A receptacle supplying only a permanently installed fire alarm or burglar alarm system shall not be required to have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection.
    Informational Note: See 760.41(B) and 760.121(B) for power supply requirements for fire alarm systems.

    Receptacles installed under the exception to 210.8(A)⁠(5) shall not be considered as meeting the requirements of 210.52(G).
  6. (6)
    Kitchens — where the receptacles are installed to serve the countertop surfaces
  7. (7)
    Sinks — where receptacles are installed within 1.8 m (6 ft) from the top inside edge of the bowl of the sink
  8. (8)
    Boathouses
  9. (9)
    Bathtubs or shower stalls — where receptacles are instal⁠led within 1.8 m (6 ft) of the outside edge of the bathtub or shower stall
  10. (10)
    Laundry areas
    Exception to (1) through (3), (5) through (8), and (10): Listed locking support and mounting receptacles utilized in combination with compatible attachment fittings installed for the purpose of serving a ceiling luminaire or ceiling fan shall not be required to be ground-fault circuit-interrupter protected. If a general-purpose convenience receptacle is integral to the ceiling luminaire or ceiling fan, GFCI protection shall be provided.

  11. (11)
    Indoor damp and wet locations
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jap said:
What is meant by "AC condensers was the objective"?
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Below is a CMP member comment on this subject...

The substantiation that resulted in the proposed revision was a result of an unqualified individual performing an electrical installation they never should have attempted to begin with and another individual that trespassed onto private property by jumping a fence and landing on top the enclosure for an air conditioner. Although this incident was certainly tragic, and I am on the side of safety, the NEC should not now mandate GFCI protection for all outdoor outlets based on set of very specific unfortunate circumstances. This requirement is extremely broad and therefore will result in many unintended consequences. For example, it is unknown if AC units will operate on a GFCI protected circuit as sufficient testing has not been conducted to answer this question. What if the AC unit is in an area where there is high humidity and hot conditions and the GFCI trips when the owners are not present for extended periods of time? This can result in interior property damage and unhealthy conditions from mold, etc. Because this requirement is not limited to receptacle outlets it will involve hard wired connections for effluent pumps and other types of lift station pumps with outdoor connections just to begin with
 
I must be missing something. 210.8(A) talks of receptacles not ac units so why do some believe the ac unit needs gfci protection.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I must be missing something. 210.8(A) talks of receptacles not ac units so why do some believe the ac unit needs gfci protection.
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Because of the wording in (F) would still override it as is worded. Every "Outet" outside at a dwelling that is 50 amp or less and not over 150 volts to ground will require GFCI protection. Exception only mentions (A)(3) exception 3 items which involves ice and snow melting equipment, that will likely have GFPE protection anyways.
 
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