2020 NEC AFCI

[peter d]

So it looks like we'll get 100% AFCI "protection" on all 15 and 20 amp, 120 volt circuits in the 2020 NEC. :roll::rant:

 

[infinity]

Not a surprise given the trend over the past few code cycles to make more money for the CB manufacturers. :roll:

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Nothing is decided YET

 

[electrofelon]

Oh, I guess something must have changed so they are now a safety improvement when used in bathrooms but were not before :rant:

 

[romex jockey]

So why can't we have afci mains?

~S~

 

[mjf]

So why can't we have afci mains?

~S~

would be way to involved to troubleshoot

 

[480sparky]

So why can't we have afci mains?

~S~

25% of the country would be without power.

 

[ptonsparky]

Only the 25% that can least afford it.

 

[JFletcher]

If plumbers were smart, they would lobby for sprinklers in residences over afci breakers. If only...

Even if afci breakers worked perfectly, they are still far far inferior to sprinklers in terms of fire protection.

It appears the electrical Lobby has more cloud or pulling power than the plumbers.

An afci main would be fun LOL. And I bet it wouldn't be 25% of houses more like 95% of the houses wouldn't have power

 

[peter d]

So why can't we have afci mains?

~S~

If AFCI mains would have the same track record as AFCI breakers, I wouldn't touch one with a one million mile pole.

 

[peter d]

Nothing is decided YET

The fix is in already. There is no way this will be voted down.

 

[JFletcher]

The states can adopt the code in its entirety, or modify sections. For example, Michigan has an exemption or exception for arc fault breakers Virginia pushback adopting the 2014 NEC and the 2015 IBC, don't know why, but they may be working on deleting the requirements on Arc faults

 

[ptonsparky]

:slaphead:Like I should worry about the lower 25% of the people that can afford a new house after 2020.

 

[LarryFine]

. . . Virginia pushback adopting the 2014 NEC and the 2015 IBC, don't know why, but they may be working on deleting the requirements on Arc faults

Let us pray.

 

[infinity]

It seems that many jurisdictions has amended or removed some of the NEC AFCI requirements. Here in NJ that are not required for kitchens or bathrooms. I wonder how many places accept the NEC AFCI requirements word for word as written.

 

[ptonsparky]

It seems that many jurisdictions has amended or removed some of the NEC AFCI requirements. Here in NJ that are not required for kitchens or bathrooms. I wonder how many places accept the NEC AFCI requirements word for word as written.

NE is one.

 

[Cletis]

Service call cha Ching !

 

[ptonsparky]

Service call cha Ching !

Try explaining that ‘problem’ is not under warranty nor are the parts malfunctioning and still get paid.

 

[romex jockey]

Try explaining that ‘problem’ is not under warranty nor are the parts malfunctioning and still get paid.

We loose credibility

especially when it's not an 'across the board' standard.

But what is would be the time honored differential ,used in descending ma in euro panels

works well for them , and would we finally conclude an afci is no more functionally AND incorporates the same chief operation component of a differential perhaps some clarity and transparency in electrical theory could be achieved.


~RJ~

 

[George Stolz]

I'm sure we are just squeamish about AFCIs because we don't understand how they work. What I could really use is an unverified instance where they caught a problem that maybe could have started a fire in a real world scenario, and then I will embrace them. After all, a two-thirds vote of educated people listening to a sales pitch thought it was a good idea, so how could it be wrong?