2029 PI: 430.63

wwhitney

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Still not 100% on this one:

Change:

430.63 Rating or Setting — Motor Load and Other Load(s).

(A) Specific Load.
Where a feeder supplies a motor load and other load(s) and consists of conductor sizes in accordance with 430.24, the feeder protective device shall have a rating not less greater than that required for the sum of the other load(s) plus the following:

(1) For a single motor, the rating permitted by 430.52
(2) For a single hermetic refrigerant motor-compressor, the rating permitted by 440.22
(3) For two or more motors, the rating permitted by 430.62

Exception: Where the feeder OCPD provides the overcurrent protection for a motor control center, the provisions of 430.94 shall apply.

(B) Other Installations.

Where feeder conductors have an ampacity greater than required by 430.24, the rating or setting of the feeder OCPD shall be permitted to be based on the ampacity of the feeder conductors.

Substantiation:

For a feeder that falls under 430.63, at present there is nothing in the NEC that caps the OCPD size in relation to conductor size. 240.4 does not apply, as 240.4(G) defers to Article 430, including Part IV. So it would be NEC compliant to protect #14 copper conductors at 200A, as long as those conductors are part of a feeder that supplies both a motor and a non motor load, and the load is not more than the conductor ampacity in accordance with 215.2.

Thus surely the use of the word "less" here is an error. Also, it would be very odd to specify a minimum OCPD size based on values that elsewhere are maximum OCPD sizes (e.g. the rating permitted by 430.52). And 215.3 already covers minimum OCPD sizes.

In addition to changing "not less than" to "not greater than", this proposal duplicates the structure of 430.62. In particular, this limit on OCPD size should only apply when the conductors are sized per 430.24.
 
Where a feeder supplies a motor load and other load(s) and consists of conductor sizes in accordance with 430.24, t
Doesn't 430.24 use the term "no less than"?
Why not just have 430.63 say the overcurrent device shall not be larger than the ampacity of the conductors chosen in 430.24?
 
Doesn't 430.24 use the term "no less than"?
Yes, 430.24 provides a minimum size for the conductors. 430.62 tells us a maximum size OCPD to use when sizing to that minimum, and that otherwise 240.4 applies normally. The idea of this PI is that 430.63 is intended to be similar (which is the part I'm not sure of)

Why not just have 430.63 say the overcurrent device shall not be larger than the ampacity of the conductors chosen in 430.24?
The general theme of 430 Parts IV and V is that it's OK to oversize the SC/GF protection relative to the conductor size for motor loads, as the motors have separate overload protection. Are you saying that this allowance should not pass upstream to a feeder supplying both motors and non-motors?

I.e. for a feeder supplying 400A of motors only, 430.62 applies with its allowance of oversizing the OCPD. Add 10A of non-motor load to the feeder, and now we lose that allowance?

Cheers, Wayne
 
Your concern seems to be that 430.63 might allow OCPD that do not protect the oversized conductors allowed by 430.24.
A simplistic way to prevent this is to tie 430.63 to 430.24.

I agree 430.63 needs to insure the conductors are protected against SC


UL uses testing to confirm an OCPD actually provides SC protection of conductors. Cable damage curves are of almost no use for general wiring. My understanding is the conductor range of the OCPD's lug is what is used, which is why you need to follow the OCPD conductor information and not that of the lug manufacturer
 
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Would it also make more sense to propose moving the rules for feeders to article 215 ? A feeder that supplies a motor and other loads is pretty common, whats less common these days is motors needing vastly oversized breakers, with VDF's and soft starts and all.
 
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