210.11(C)(2)

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I just a had a rough-in inspection and the inspector is asking for an additional branch circuit be run to the laundry. I have five receptacles on the one circuit that I ran. One receptacle is behind the washer, one is for a gas water heater (which pulls next to nothing) and the other three are just convenience receptacles along the wall.
I'm not seeing in 210.11(C)(2) where it requires me to have only one receptacle, or any number of receptacles, on the circuit. It just says there shall be no other outlets, which to me means not leaving the laundry room to serve other outlets or the lights in the laundry.
Am I mis-reading it?

(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of
branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least
one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to
supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F).
This circuit shall have no other outlets.
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Little Bill said:
I just a had a rough-in inspection and the inspector is asking for an additional branch circuit be run to the laundry. I have five receptacles on the one circuit that I ran. One receptacle is behind the washer, one is for a gas water heater (which pulls next to nothing) and the other three are just convenience receptacles along the wall.
I'm not seeing in 210.11(C)(2) where it requires me to have only one receptacle, or any number of receptacles, on the circuit. It just says there shall be no other outlets, which to me means not leaving the laundry room to serve other outlets or the lights in the laundry.
Am I mis-reading it?
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Don't have access to my code book. What does 210.52 (F) say?
But I do think you have to have a receptacle on it's own circuit for the washer.
 
qcroanoke said:
Don't have access to my code book. What does 210.52 (F) say?
But I do think you have to have a receptacle on it's own circuit for the washer.
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Still not seeing anywhere that says dedicated receptacle/outlet for washer only.

(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle
outlet shall be installed in areas designated for the installation
of laundry equipment.
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Little Bill said:
I just a had a rough-in inspection and the inspector is asking for an additional branch circuit be run to the laundry. I have five receptacles on the one circuit that I ran. One receptacle is behind the washer, one is for a gas water heater (which pulls next to nothing) and the other three are just convenience receptacles along the wall.
I'm not seeing in 210.11(C)(2) where it requires me to have only one receptacle, or any number of receptacles, on the circuit. It just says there shall be no other outlets, which to me means not leaving the laundry room to serve other outlets or the lights in the laundry.
Am I mis-reading it?
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I agree with you. One 20 amp branch circuit to the laundry. I can serve as many receptacles as you want (unless equipment instructions require an individual branch circuit).
 
My read is the same as your. Were it required to supply only the washer outlet it would not have used the plural in the wording.
 
He doesn't have a problem with the outlet for the water heater? Seems to me that would be an outlet on the laundry circuit being used for something other than the laundry.

(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of
branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least
one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to
supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F).
This circuit shall have no other outlets
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qcroanoke said:
Don't have access to my code book. What does 210.52 (F) say?
But I do think you have to have a receptacle on it's own circuit for the washer.
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210.52 is all about receptacle placement and nothing to do about what branch circuits they may or may not be connected to.
 
(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle
outlet shall be installed in areas designated for the
installation of laundry equipment.
Exception No. 1: A receptacle for laundry equipment shall
not be required in a dwelling unit of a multifamily building
where laundry facilities are provided on the premises for
use by all building occupants.
Exception No. 2: A receptacle for laundry equipment shall
not be required in other than one-family dwellings where
laundry facilities are not to be installed or permitted.

The water heater would not be permitted on that circuit as noted above.
 
dkidd said:
(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle
outlet shall be installed in areas designated for the
installation of laundry equipment.
Exception No. 1: A receptacle for laundry equipment shall
not be required in a dwelling unit of a multifamily building
where laundry facilities are provided on the premises for
use by all building occupants.
Exception No. 2: A receptacle for laundry equipment shall
not be required in other than one-family dwellings where
laundry facilities are not to be installed or permitted.

The water heater would not be permitted on that circuit as noted above.
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not sure I agree. Is it saying the area is designated for laundry? And if so does it actually prohibit non laundry equipment that may be in same area from being supplied?

Had an inspector picking on the opposite side of this once claiming a receptacle in the area that was not on same circuit as the "laundry circuit" needed to be on the laundry circuit. It did not supply any specific item, just a general purpose receptacle that was on the opposite wall and was behind you when facing the washing machine. I don't see what he was claiming code said, I see what is written requires a circuit to supply the laundry, this circuit can supply other outlets but only in the vicinity of the laundry. I don't see it prohibiting additional outlets from other circuits in said laundry vicinity either.
 
kwired said:
not sure I agree. Is it saying the area is designated for laundry? And if so does it actually prohibit non laundry equipment that may be in same area from being supplied?

Had an inspector picking on the opposite side of this once claiming a receptacle in the area that was not on same circuit as the "laundry circuit" needed to be on the laundry circuit. It did not supply any specific item, just a general purpose receptacle that was on the opposite wall and was behind you when facing the washing machine. I don't see what he was claiming code said, I see what is written requires a circuit to supply the laundry, this circuit can supply other outlets but only in the vicinity of the laundry. I don't see it prohibiting additional outlets from other circuits in said laundry vicinity either.
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See post #7

This circuit shall have no other outlets
 
dkidd said:
See post #7

This circuit shall have no other outlets
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I think what kwired is saying is that 210.52(F) doesn't require that receptacles outlet(s) be dedicated for laundry equipment, it requires receptacle outlet(s) to be installed in areas designated for the installation of laundry equipment.

So if you had a laundry area, lets say, and had 5 receptacles in that laundry area, and connected those 5 receptacles to the branch circuit required by 210.11(C)(2), there is nothing that would prohibit plugging a gas water heater, or any other piece of equipment into one of those 5 receptacles.

I'm not sure that is the intent of the Code, but it seems to meet the letter of the Code.
 
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david luchini said:
I think what kwired is saying is that 210.52(F) doesn't require that receptacles outlet(s) dedicated for laundry equipment, it requires receptacle outlet(s) to be installed in areas designated for the installation of laundry equipment.

So if you had a laundry area, lets say, and had 5 receptacles in that laundry area, and connected those 5 receptacles to the branch circuit required by 210.11(C)(2), there is nothing that would prohibit plugging a gas water heater, or any other piece of equipment into one of those 5 receptacles.

I'm not sure that is the intent of the Code, but it seems to meet the letter of the Code.
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This is what I agree with.
 
david luchini said:
I think what kwired is saying is that 210.52(F) doesn't require that receptacles outlet(s) dedicated for laundry equipment, it requires receptacle outlet(s) to be installed in areas designated for the installation of laundry equipment.
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I agree. This is not a code violation.

 
For what it's worth I agree also.

You didn't actually install a receptacle in the laundry area specifically for a Water Heater, you used one of the required receptacles outlets that was already installed in the laundry area as a place for the Water Heater to plug into.

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What is the definition of "Laundry Area"?

What is not allowed in the "Laundry Area"?

This is the problem . . .
 
al hildenbrand said:
What is the definition of "Laundry Area"?

What is not allowed in the "Laundry Area"?

This is the problem . . .
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A laundry area is an area where clothes are washed.

Generally, I'm not allowed in the "Laundry Area".

I tend to turn white things different colors......


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But I do save on the water bill by piling as much stuff as I can into the washer,,,, unlike the 5 -10 loads others may require to do the same thing... :)


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