210.5(c)

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Karl H

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Would this apply to disconnects,starters,etc? I'm reffering to
the Identification Legends. I think it wouldn't as I don't consider
a starter or disconnect for a motor as electrical distribution equipment.

Thanks in advance
 
I'm not understanding your question. 210.5(C) has to do with identifying ungrounded conductors of different supply systems.

"each ungrounded supply conductor of a branch circuit, where accessible, shall be identified by system."

You mark the wires.

Edit: Errors A and B
 
physis said:
I'm not understanding your question. 210.5(C) has to do with identifying ungrounded conductors of different supply systems.

"each ungrounded supply conductor of a branch circuit, where accessible, shall be identified by system."

You mark the wires.

Edit: Errors A and B
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Read the last sentence of 210.5(c) 2005 NEC or 2008 NEC.
 
See page 36 from the book "Analysis of Changes" 2005 NEC or
pages 62 and 63 from Mike Holt's book "Understanding the National
Electrical Code" volume 1 2005 edition.
 
Karl H said:
Read the last sentence of 210.5(c) 2005 NEC or 2008 NEC.
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I thought I'd hear about this and I do deserve it. I shouldn't have simply said
"mark the wires".

But then again, are you sure you need help with this? It seems you pretty much understand it.
 
physis said:
I thought I'd hear about this and I do deserve it. I shouldn't have simply said
"mark the wires".

But then again, are you sure you need help with this? It seems you pretty much understand it.
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Well I have an inspector saying I need to also put Identification Legends
on my disconnects and starters. He didn't fail me but strongly suggested it.
So that got me thinking that maybe I'm not understanding the ART correctly.
I don't see a disconnect or starter as electrical Dist. equipment. So I
was just wondering what you guys thought.

Thanks for the replies.
 
Hang on a second, I have some editing to do.

Edit: It has to be posted at each panel.
 
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Karl H said:
Well I have an inspector saying I need to also put Identification Legends
on my disconnects and starters. He didn't fail me but strongly suggested it.
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The active element of this section as far as you're concerned is "and shall be permanently posted at each

branch-circuit panel-board similar branch circuit distribution equipment".
 
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I wouldn't have a problem with it normally,but when your building a
central plant, that is a lot of legends to make and install that aren't even required
in my understanding of 210.5 (c).
 
I've gotten a lot of greif from people in the industry because I'll sort of challenge an inspector on code issues. The truth though is that every time i've done that, rather than the inspector hating me, like I was told he would, in fact, I had actually gained his respect because I was simply working with code, and they like that, even when they're wrong. At least in my experience.
 
physis said:
I've gotten a lot of greif from people in the industry because I'll sort of challenge an inspector on code issues. The truth though is that every time i've done that, rather than the inspector hating me, like I was told he would, in fact, I had actually gained his respect because I was simply working with code, and they like that, even when they're wrong. At least in my experience.
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That's been my experience as well. I've never been afraid of inspectors,
like most electricians I've worked with . I read,and apply the rules just
as a inspector does. You know, I've never failed an inspection in Cali .
I have two inspectors that have told me,"I'm going to get you one day Karl."
and I've replied both times, "Yep, when I get lazy and stop doing my
homework you will." We all laugh cause my inspectors know I'm just
trying to do the right thing just as they are.:D
 
Karl H said:
I've never failed an inspection in Cali .
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Yeah, right. :grin: Never worked in San Francisco I guess.

I rarely have a failure, but I have, I'd get "you'll fix that, right?". They really ought to come back and check it but in every case, which were very few, they knew whatever silly issue would be corrected and signed off anyway.
 
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physis said:
Yeah, right. :grin: Never worked in San Francisco I guess.

I rarely have a failure, but I have, I'd get "you'll fix that, right?". They really ought to come back and check it but in every case, which were very few, they knew whatever silly issue would be corrected and signed off anyway.
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I'm not kidding, I have never failed a inspection in Cali (San Diego).
Granted, I don't do houses where the inspectors go by a personal
NEC rather than the actual NEC. I never start a job without reading
every ART in the NEC that applies to that job. I also review the ARTs
the day before an inspection so that if I'm questioned about something
I'm quick with a Art. number. Yes I'm very aware that I'm a geek.:D
 
Karl H said:
I'm not kidding, I have never failed a inspection in Cali (San Diego).
Granted, I don't do houses where the inspectors go by a personal
NEC rather than the actual NEC. I never start a job without reading
every ART in the NEC that applies to that job. I also review the ARTs
the day before an inspection so that if I'm questioned about something
I'm quick with a Art. number. Yes I'm very aware that I'm a geek.:D
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That's not a bad plan, I don't typically need to do that but If I do, I'll do the same thing. One of the problems I've had in San Francisco is that you will usually not get the same inspector twice on the same job. They do this to keep you dancing around, oh, and potential revinue generation, because they can, but don't have to, impose an additional charge for a second visit after an inspection failure.

Anyway, once I had a building remodle where there was some particular issue that wasn't exactly cut and dried code wise, I don't even remember what it was anymore. So I brought that to the first inspector's attention and we decided together how it ought to be done only to see the "next inspector" tell me to pull it out and do it a different way, which also wasn't a perfect solution.

Fortunately, this was a one time phenominon.
 
We have more than one inspector here too.:D If I have a situation were
I need clarification on an issue, I make sure the inspector "Signs Off" the
inspection, and wiring method. If another inspector shows up on
a different day and disagrees with the previously inspected
install, I simply show him/her the signed inspection card, and like
a machine, cite a Art. number.:D
 
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