210.52(E)(1) outlet required outside AND 210.70(A)(2)(b)

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I am remodeling a house with a detached garage. The house and garage are back to back about 25' apart. There is a door at the back of both. There is a 3-way switch in the house which is for the light at the back door of the garage. There is also an outlet on the outside back of the garage. Is it necessary to install an outlet and light at the back of the house? I also am wondering if the 210.52(E)(1) requirement could be met with say an outlet on a light post, or some other means? I don't see anything in the local amendments.
 
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I am remodeling a house with a detached garage. The house and garage are back to back about 25' apart. There is a door at the back of both. There is a 3-way switch in the house which is for the light at the back door of the garage. There is also an outlet on the outside back of the garage. Is it necessary to install an outlet and light at the back of the house? I also am wondering if the 210.52(E)(1) requirement could be met with say an outlet on a light post, or some other means? I don't see anything in the local amendments.
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I would say that because they are detached you will have to meet 210.52 (E)(1) on the dwelling. Also the dwelling requires a lighting outlet by 210.70 (A)(2)
 
I don?t have a 2011 code book. Also not sure if the 2011 applies in the OPs jurisdiction. But what does it say in the NEC 2011 section 210.52 E(3).
 
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I am remodeling a house with a detached garage. The house and garage are back to back about 25' apart. There is a door at the back of both. There is a 3-way switch in the house which is for the light at the back door of the garage. There is also an outlet on the outside back of the garage. Is it necessary to install an outlet and light at the back of the house? I also am wondering if the 210.52(E)(1) requirement could be met with say an outlet on a light post, or some other means? I don't see anything in the local amendments.
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It's hard to know for sure what you are asking when you use the term outlet for receptacles and not specifying receptacle outlets vs. lighting outlets.

Some inspectors have no problem with a single light serving two entrances, so long as both are lit well. But I am not sure if that is what you are asking.
 
I do not see any requirements for a receptacle on the back of the detached garage. Looking at the 2008 nec. It seems as though there is not any regulations as to linear distance from the house. 210.52(E) just says accessible up 6.5ft elevation "at" the front and back not "on" technically.
 
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I am remodeling a house with a detached garage. The house and garage are back to back about 25' apart. There is a door at the back of both. There is a 3-way switch in the house which is for the light at the back door of the garage. There is also an outlet on the outside back of the garage. Is it necessary to install an outlet and light at the back of the house? YES I also am wondering if the 210.52(E)(1) requirement could be met with say an outlet on a light post, or some other means? NO. I don't see anything in the local amendments.
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Now I am assuming that your remodeling to code. You didn't say if everything had to be 'brought up to' code.
 
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The code is not specific that the receptacle has to be on the house. Or am I reading it wrong?
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I believe the 2014 says that the required GFCI receptacle has to be in the are of a deck, porch, etc.. But I?m not sure?was waiting on it to be posted. I guess I can always check elsewhere.
 
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The code is not specific that the receptacle has to be on the house. Or am I reading it wrong?
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You are not reading it wrong. You just assume that it is allowed to be on another structure (a post).

(1) One-Family and Two-Family Dwellings. For a onefamily
dwelling and each unit of a two-family dwelling that
is at grade level, at least one receptacle outlet accessible
while standing at grade level and located not more than
2.0 m (61?2 ft) above grade shall be installed at the front and
back of the dwelling.

"At" means location. Like not on/at the side of the building. IMHO the intent is to allow you to place it anywhere you choose along the back or front either in or on the wall.
 
Well the consensus was to add both anyway. 2014 handbook shows the image of the gfci on the house. Exhibit 210.30 Also, the exception to area of a porch has been deleted. I suppose a 4x4 stoop would now qualify. I recently had an inspector who told me it was okay to put the gfi on a detached garage near the house.
 
I personally believe it should be attached to the house. This ?may? ensure that the required receptacle will be there in the future. A remote (unattached to the house) receptacle?to me?is more susceptible to being damaged, or removed.
 
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