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I have a laundry receptacle for the washer in my son's new home. I want to put a counter top receipt in the same room off the washer receptacle. Is this code compliant?
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210.11(C)(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.

 
LarryFine said:
I believe a second receptacle in the laundry room is okay on the laundry circuit.
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Yeah, sort of. The language and its implications get somewhat convoluted.

A. If the washer receptacle is NOT considered to be the laundry room receptacle required by 210.52(F), then a second receptacle on the same circuit is OK. There then has to be a third receptacle on its own circuit to satisfy 210.52(F).
B. If the intent was to provide a single receptacle in the laundry room for the washer and to assert that this washer receptacle serves to satisfy 210.52(F), then you cannot put a second receptacle on that circuit.

The problem is that if "the laundry circuit" is taken to mean the one serving the 210.52(F) receptacle, then no, you cannot have an additional receptacle on that circuit because it would constitute an additional outlet.

We can also get into the recurring discussion of whether or not a single duplex receptacle constitutes more than one outlet. :angel:
 
210.11(C) is clear to me as the receptacle for the laundry is plural. In my area, I have never heard of anyone getting tagged for installing a receptacle in the laundry room that was fed from the washer outlet.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
210.11(C) is clear to me as the receptacle for the laundry is plural. In my area, I have never heard of anyone getting tagged for installing a receptacle in the laundry room that was fed from the washer outlet.
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I been tagged for not putting additional receptacle in laundry room on same circuit as the washer, still disagree with that call. My view is we need at least one "laundry circuit" in that room and can have unlimited number of other receptacles on other circuits in the same room if we wanted. We also have option of putting all receptacles in that room on the one "laundry circuit".
 
kwired said:
I been tagged for not putting additional receptacle in laundry room on same circuit as the washer, still disagree with that call. My view is we need at least one "laundry circuit" in that room and can have unlimited number of other receptacles on other circuits in the same room if we wanted. We also have option of putting all receptacles in that room on the one "laundry circuit".
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I agree. I didn't say you couldn't have another circuit but IMO, that circuit cannot extend beyond the laundry room.
 
There are two receptacles in the same laundry room fed from the 20 amp laundry circuit? Isn't that code compliant?
 
480sparky said:
210.11(C)(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.
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this specifically means that these outlets are only for within the laundry, and must have at least one in the laundry. The exceptions in 210.52.f are all concerning multiple dwellings. But, though some read this to mean that you need a circuit for the washer and an extra circuit, that is not what is listed. It simply states a minimum of one outlet must be on a circuit for within the laundry room, and that the circuit must be 20A, and that it must not go into other rooms, such as a pantry or bedroom or such...
Pretty similar to the rules for bathrooms, except if your home has more than one laundry area, it cannot share the circuit, as I read it, like the bathrooms can share the bathroom circuit.

Unless I am reading it wrong... and yes, I have seen a house built with more than one laundry room... I actually worked on a home that had four very nice laundry rooms, including dryers and concealed ironing boards and irons... because the owner had tripped once carrying clothes up a set of stairs so she wanted a laundry room on every floor.
 
Adamjamma said:
..........Pretty similar to the rules for bathrooms, except if your home has more than one laundry area, it cannot share the circuit, as I read it, like the bathrooms can share the bathroom circuit............
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I don't see any language prohibiting a 20a laundry circuit from supplying two laundry rooms.

(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed in areas designated for the installation of laundry equipment.

(2) Laundry Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, at least one additional 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the Laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F). This circuit shall have no other outlets.



 
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Ok, you may be, in fact, probably are, correct. But, I will still supply one per laundry room, not that I mind more than one outlet in that room, but I have seen more than one person washing clothes just because there were more than one washing machine available... not sure I would like two washers and someone ironing clothes all on one 20 amp circuit over two floors...unless they were really close to the panel box...
 
Adamjamma said:
Ok, you may be, in fact, probably are, correct. But, I will still supply one per laundry room, not that I mind more than one outlet in that room, but I have seen more than one person washing clothes just because there were more than one washing machine available... not sure I would like two washers and someone ironing clothes all on one 20 amp circuit over two floors...unless they were really close to the panel box...
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I'm with ya. If a house has two laundries, there's two laundry circuits.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I agree. I didn't say you couldn't have another circuit but IMO, that circuit cannot extend beyond the laundry room.
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Code doesn't say "laundry room", that leaves interpretation fairly open.

I believe it says "the laundry" as well as "laundry area" in different sections but never says "laundry room".

Laundry areas are seen in unfinished basements, that doesn't necessarily make the entire basement the laundry area.

Laundry areas are seen in garages, that doesn't make the entire garage the laundry area.

Also seen rooms with laundry in them that also meet NEC definition of a bathroom. This creates some conflicts to some extent if you try to call the entire room a bathroom or a laundry room. No conflict if you call one area the laundry area and another area the bathroom area though.
 
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