210.8 (A)(7) All outlets GFI protected withing 6ft of sink including hallways

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I have inspectors failing me for having an outlet in another room (hallway) within 6ft of the sink in the bathroom not GFI protected, has anybody ran into this issue, and any suggestions to avoid having to GFI these outlets? We have stated to the inspectors that the ruling should stop when another room starts, but have had no luck, thx, TW.
 
wawasworld said:
I have inspectors failing me for having an outlet in another room (hallway) within 6ft of the sink in the bathroom not GFI protected, has anybody ran into this issue, and any suggestions to avoid having to GFI these outlets? We have stated to the inspectors that the ruling should stop when another room starts, but have had no luck, thx, TW.
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All due to interpretation of the AHJ 6' is 6'

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wawasworld said:
I have inspectors failing me for having an outlet in another room (hallway) within 6ft of the sink in the bathroom not GFI protected, has anybody ran into this issue, and any suggestions to avoid having to GFI these outlets? We have stated to the inspectors that the ruling should stop when another room starts, but have had no luck, thx, TW.
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Yes this has come up before. The NEC states 6" from a sink and there is no exception if the receptacle is in another room. One can see this in a kitchen island where the sink may be in the center. Any outlets down low serving the dining area or LR on the other side would have to be gfci protected if they are within 6' of the sink
 
Here in Massachusetts they amended it a bit.

210.8. Add a new 210.8(E) to read as follows:

(E) Measurements. For the purposes of this section, when determining distances from receptacles the distance shall be measured as the shortest path the cord of an appliance connected to the receptacle would follow without piercing a floor, wall, ceiling, doorway, window or other opening or other effective barrier.
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jumper said:
One unofficial way I have heard some inspectors may go by is basically measuring with a 6 'string as if it were a cord. If the string can reach a receptacle within 6", GFCI required.
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The 6' string should always reach a receptacle within 6" unless you have some really strange measuring ruler/tape.:D
 
iwire said:
Here in Massachusetts they amended it a bit.
210.8. Add a new 210.8(E) to read as follows:

210.8. Add a new 210.8(E) to read as follows:


(E) Measurements. For the purposes of this section, when determining distances from receptacles the distance shall be measured as the shortest path the cord of an appliance connected to the receptacle would follow without piercing a floor, wall, ceiling, doorway, window or other opening or other effective barrier.
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JMO but seems not so clear what the intention is for a doorway with no door or an opening with no glass as is worded.
 
Pains me to dive into this one, but dictionaries make it clear for the most part that a door is not required to have a "doorway." YMMV I suppose.
 
please allow me an aside to the OP concern....

please allow me an aside to the OP concern....

According to '14 revisions of 210.8, a toaster may be construed as a barrier, should the ahj wish to play hardball>>>

The ground-fault circuit-interrupter shall be installed in
a readily accessible location
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Said 210.8 info note brings us to>>>


215.9 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection for
Personnel. Feeders supplying 15- and 20-ampere recep-
tacle branch circuits shall be permitted to be protected by a
ground-fault circuit interrupter in lieu of the provisions for
such interrupters as specified in 210.8 and 590.6(A).
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HD sells a 60A240V gfci disco , and for less that most suppliers sell the brkr alone>

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As we are in the process of wiring a commercial kitchen at this time, what say i place this ahead of the dedicated kitchen panel ?

~RJ~
 
George Stolz said:
It says "opening" - are you suggesting that word is synonymous with "barrier"?
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When it says "or other effective barrier" they must be considering all the other mentioned items as barriers of some sort.

romex jockey said:
According to '14 revisions of 210.8, a toaster may be construed as a barrier, should the ahj wish to play hardball>>>



Said 210.8 info note brings us to>>>




HD sells a 60A240V gfci disco , and for less that most suppliers sell the brkr alone>

s-l1000.jpg


As we are in the process of wiring a commercial kitchen at this time, what say i place this ahead of the dedicated kitchen panel ?

~RJ~
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It would be NEC compliant, but you would be cussed about every time a fault takes out the entire kitchen instead of just a limited portion of it.
 
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