210.8 and Cord Connectors

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I think there is a difference like i suggested before. 210.8 doesnt apply to the cords. Just look at the Vending machine requirement for gfci, they make a distinction in the cord and (outlet)receptacle protection. 422.51 NEC 2008.

Yes their needs to be a clarification this and i do believe in some instances its just as much dangerous with a female end cord being plug into as a receptacle.
 
iwire said:
Brother IMO it is simply an oversight, 210.8 should be changed to say receptacles and cord connectors.
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so are you putting in a proposal?? ;) It may be an oversight, but like one member stated about the Code:

"It does not say what you think it says"
"It does not say what you want it to say"
"It does not say what you feel it SHOULD say"
"It may not even say, what you heard someone said it says"
"It may not even say what the CMP really intended for it to say (because of their oversight)"

IT JUST SAYS WHAT IT SAYS. ;)
 
iwire said:
Brother IMO it is simply an oversight, 210.8 should be changed to say receptacles and cord connectors.
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IMHO, when you look at the definition of a "receptacle" in Art100 it covers cord connectors.
 
brother said:
Please explain your interpertation,

the definition contains the phrase "A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet......"


So i dont see how a cord would fit this definition.
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Just to stirr the pot a cord assembly would install at an outlet. Just thinkin out loud here.
 
quogueelectric said:
Just to stirr the pot a cord assembly would install at an outlet. Just thinkin out loud here.
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Ok lets add more spice to the pot, a cord cannot be run above 'suspended ceilings', but there is no restriction on installing a 'receptacle' above a suspended ceiling NEC 2008 , 400.8. So they are not the same as far as way the NEC uses the terms ;)

Not to mention where they distinguish between Attachment plugs and receptacles, 2008 NEC 400.7(B)

And to add more pepper to this thread, "Cord Connector' is defined look at 2008 NEC 626.2 Definitions. LOL ;)
 
augie47 said:
IMHO, when you look at the definition of a "receptacle" in Art100 it covers cord connectors.
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Well is cord connector on a yoke?

'A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke'

And if it is one and the same why are they treated separately in Article 406?

brother said:
so are you putting in a proposal?? ;) It may be an oversight, but like one member stated about the Code:

"It does not say what you think it says"
"It does not say what you want it to say"
"It does not say what you feel it SHOULD say"
"It may not even say, what you heard someone said it says"
"It may not even say what the CMP really intended for it to say (because of their oversight)"

IT JUST SAYS WHAT IT SAYS. ;)
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All I am saying is it says what it says and it does not say what I expected it to say.

So yes, maybe I will put in a proposal. :smile:
 
iwire said:
Well is cord connector on a yoke?

'A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke'

And if it is one and the same why are they treated separately in Article 406?



All I am saying is it says what it says and it does not say what I expected it to say.

So yes, maybe I will put in a proposal. :smile:
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be sure to bring your proposal here for review. ;)
 
quogueelectric said:
Just to stirr the pot a cord assembly would install at an outlet. Just thinkin out loud here.
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I believe the cord assembly being considered is one that is hardwired on the feed end and has a cord connector on the other end.

The end of the cord and the cord, being site assembled, are part of the Premises Wiring (System), which makes the connection between the cord conductor and the feed conductor nothing more than a splice in a junction box. There is no outlet in that junction box.

The outlet for the assembly is where the Premises Wiring (System) ends and the connection of utilization equipment occurs (with or without a box or enclosure).

The outlet is at the contacts of the receptacle in the cord connector.
 
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Brother,

The whole definition of receptacle has, in my opinion, the confusion in the first sentence. The first sentences makes no mention of "yoke".
2008 NEC Article 100 Definitions

Receptacle. A receptacle is a contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke.
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To me, this reads that "single receptacle" is a two word term, as is "multiple receptacle".

The first sentence does not say that the contact device includes a yoke.

Therefore, 210.8 applies, because the cord cap, a contact device installed at an outlet, meets, IMO, the definition of receptacle.
 
Thank you, Al

Those were my thoughts in post 7, but you did far better in expalining.

We are in a profession that obviously loves the "word game" and I will agree with Bob that the term "yoke" in the second sentence adds a little confusion. But as you stated so well, I beleive sentence one of the definition adresses the question.
 
al hildenbrand said:
Therefore, 210.8 applies, because the cord cap, a contact device installed at an outlet, meets, IMO, the definition of receptacle.
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That will be a problem as now all cord connectors must be mounted to boxes, 406.4 and have faceplates 406.5. :wink:

I think if you take an objective look at Article 406 you will come to the conclusion that the NEC believes cord connectors are not 'receptacles'.
 
406.4 Receptacle Mounting.
Receptacles shall be mounted in boxes or assemblies designed for the purpose, and such boxes or assemblies shall be securely fastened in place unless otherwise permitted elsewhere in this Code.
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The pendant cord with a cord connector is permitted elsewhere as something that is not securely fastened in place.

Edit - changed "connected" to "connector" in the last sentence. - Al
 
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charlie b said:
Help me on this one. What is a "cord connector"?
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The female thingamabob on the end of a cord. :smile:

I agree it is a type of receptacle, just not sure the NEC treats it as one.
 
charlie b said:
Help me on this one. What is a "cord connector"?
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Think of the receptacle end of a standard extension cord. That female contact device is the cord connector. One can assemble the cord connector to a cord, or puchase a molded one piece cord and connector.:smile:
 
al hildenbrand said:
The pendant cord with a cord connected is permitted elsewhere as something that is not securely fastened in place.
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IMO your not being objective in your reading of Article 406.

They sure wasted a lot of ink using the word cord connectors when just receptacles will do.

Just look at the scope in 406.1
 
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