210.8(B) GFCI Protection

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The EC was informed by the inspector that we needed GFI receptacles for ALL high voltage appliances (oven, coffee machine, espresso etc) which are 30AMP/208V/1P or 50AMP/208V/1P.

The inspector referenced 210.8(B) as the code and from what I am being told by the EC is this would require a separate subpanel to provide GFI for those appliances as the receptacles are not available in GFI and the panels that were specified on the plans do not accommodate a GFI breaker.

What are my options to fix this problem.
 
Sounds like a commercial kitchen, if it's in NJ then the 2017 NEC so the inspector is correct.
 
BatmanisWatching1987 said:
The EC was informed by the inspector that we needed GFI receptacles for ALL high voltage appliances (oven, coffee machine, espresso etc) which are 30AMP/208V/1P or 50AMP/208V/1P.

The inspector referenced 210.8(B) as the code and from what I am being told by the EC is this would require a separate subpanel to provide GFI for those appliances as the receptacles are not available in GFI and the panels that were specified on the plans do not accommodate a GFI breaker.

What are my options to fix this problem.
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You could GFCI the main. Obviously not a good design though. I would do the sub panel. If this increases your costs and the plan was not designed to accommodate local code, sounds like a change order to me.

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If acceptable to the powers that be (customer, GC, etc_ you might be able to hard wire some equipment and eliminate the receptacle. In some of the higher amperage equipment you will need GFCI monitors as GFCI breakers aren't available.
 
Depending on the panelboard manufacturer, 30A/2P and 50A/2P GFCI breakers may be available. These breakers do not take up any more pole space than a non-GFCI counterpart. However, these GFCI breakers are generally only available up to a 10 kAIC rating. If a rating higher than 10 kAIC is required, some of the GFCI breakers can series rate at higher fault currents, but is dependent upon the manufacturer, the upstream OCPD, and there being less than 100 amps of motor load on the panelboard.
 
You can use a bank of what we call dead front Gfci's.

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BatmanisWatching1987 said:
The EC was informed by the inspector that we needed GFI receptacles for ALL high voltage appliances (oven, coffee machine, espresso etc) which are 30AMP/208V/1P or 50AMP/208V/1P.

The inspector referenced 210.8(B) as the code and from what I am being told by the EC is this would require a separate subpanel to provide GFI for those appliances as the receptacles are not available in GFI and the panels that were specified on the plans do not accommodate a GFI breaker.

What are my options to fix this problem.
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Is this in a kitchen that would trigger this requirement?

Hint.

Kitchen. An area with a sink and permanent provisions for
food preparation and cooking.
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If it is a kitchen then it seems like whomever decided not to provide GFCI protection is on the hook to provide it. I am kind of surprised the EC did not know this was required.
 
petersonra said:
Is this in a kitchen that would trigger this requirement?

Hint.



If it is a kitchen then it seems like whomever decided not to provide GFCI protection is on the hook to provide it. I am kind of surprised the EC did not know this was required.
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Yes, this was for the equipment that was being installed in the Kitchen.

Can anyone recommend a note I can add to the Panel Schedule so future EC in the doesn't make the same mistake.

Thanks
 
BatmanisWatching1987 said:
Yes, this was for the equipment that was being installed in the Kitchen.

Can anyone recommend a note I can add to the Panel Schedule so future EC in the doesn't make the same mistake.

Thanks
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IMO, the panel schedule should define what is required for each circuit. The EC should not have to guess at what is required. This would include such information as OCPD rating, AIC rating and any other special characteristic required for each circuit such as GFCI, handle tie, or hold down bracket, etc.
 
BatmanisWatching1987 said:
The EC was informed by the inspector that we needed GFI receptacles for ALL high voltage appliances (oven, coffee machine, espresso etc) which are 30AMP/208V/1P or 50AMP/208V/1P.

The inspector referenced 210.8(B) as the code and from what I am being told by the EC is this would require a separate subpanel to provide GFI for those appliances as the receptacles are not available in GFI and the panels that were specified on the plans do not accommodate a GFI breaker.

What are my options to fix this problem.
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What panels were specified? Not aware of any modern panel that does not allow for GFCI or AFCI.
 
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