210.8 B2

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normbac

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wanted to make sure I am reading this correct is 210.8 B2 saying in a commercial kitchen the food prep area has to have all 15 & 20 amp 120 vollt receptacles GFCI protected even if below the counter and a dedicated circuit to a electrical cord connected appliance? Installing alot of appliance outlets in a coffee shop and wasnt sure if they needed GFCI protection TIA
 
normbac said:
is the GFCI also required for fridge & freezer if in the cooking area
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All 15 and 20 amp 125 v receptacles in a commercial kitchen, no matter what the purpose, no matter what the location, must be GFCI protected.
 
I did a Petco store and all of the outlets were behind the fish tanks. I talked them into gfci breakers and they agreed and paid the extra. They were serviceable but not really unless you were Gumby Darn it.
 
normbac said:
So it is not wise to install outlets behind since they are so heavyto move?
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No that's not it Norm, it's that the fridge and freezer are candidates for

shocking people, and lots of them are not commercial type.
 
benaround said:
No that's not it Norm, it's that the fridge and freezer are candidates for

shocking people, and lots of them are not commercial type.
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I think that he's asking about using a GFCI breaker instead of a GFCI receptacle since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle.
 
infinity said:
I think that he's asking about using a GFCI breaker instead of a GFCI receptacle since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle.
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I was wondering how you guys typically do it since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle. Also if fridge freez are in a different room than the cooking area is it necessary
 
normbac said:
I was wondering how you guys typically do it since resetting the rec behind the unit would be a hassle.
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Bid the device...up sell the CB.

normbac said:
Also if fridge freez are in a different room than the cooking area is it necessary
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Does the area have a sink?
 
chris kennedy said:
And what would that have to do with the price of beans in the 05?
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It would be the price of beans in the '05:
(2) Commercial and institutional kitchens?for the purposes
of this section, a kitchen is an area with a sink and permanent
facilities for food preparation and cooking
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In my experience, a commercial "area" with a sink, will also have "permanent
facilities for food preparation and cooking".
 
celtic said:
It would be the price of beans in the '05:



In my experience, a commercial "area" with a sink, will also have "permanent
facilities for food preparation and cooking".
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Of coarse, my bad, thought you were leading to the GFI requirements near sinks.
 
Alot of comercial equipment is used and the ground prongs are pulled out or nonfunctional on the cords . GfCI protection could save a lot of lives when a piece of equipment faults to the case of a non-grounded frig and the guy moping the floor leans up against it.
 
chris kennedy said:
Of coarse, my bad, thought you were leading to the GFI requirements near sinks.
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:smile:
I was thinking the same as I typed that reply....and actually ditched the second half of 210.8(b)2 ~ just to see what would happen :cool:
 
celtic said:
Bid the device...up sell the CB.



Does the area have a sink?
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yes there is a sink for pots pans etc but seperate from cooking this is a coffee house sandwiches bagels etc
 
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