230.85 on 400 amp services

[augie47]

We have had our 1st AHJ adopt 230.85 (this area has been on the '2017 NEC previously)
On 400 amp services (dual 200 amp panels) what is the most common method of addressing this requirement in your area ??

 

[Greentagger]

No difference. 2 -200A exterior mains, grouped, and each labeled EMERGENCY DISCONNECT. Did I misunderstand the question?

 

[Ohm2]

No difference. 2 -200A exterior mains, grouped, and each labeled EMERGENCY DISCONNECT. Did I misunderstand the question?

The 2017 did not require the EM disco.

 

[shortcircuit2]

We have had our 1st AHJ adopt 230.85 (this area has been on the '2017 NEC previously)
On 400 amp services (dual 200 amp panels) what is the most common method of addressing this requirement in your area ??

Welcome to the nightmare!
Below is an example of an installation in 2020 when no equipment was available with sectioned disconnects per 230.70

 

[shortcircuit2]

Now Code compliant equipment is available

 

[jap]

I gotta ask,,, are you left handed ?

Jap>

 

[tortuga]

Now Code compliant equipment is available
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Those main breakers look like Zinsco

 

[LarryFine]

I gotta ask,,, are you left handed ?

I gotta ask why you asked. The only tell I see is the strut strap.

 

[shortcircuit2]

No I am right handed

 

[norcal]

Those main breakers look like Zinsco

They are a Zinsco design by Milbank, they came to Milbank when they bought Unicorn, have a Sylvania 200A 3 pole breaker & a Milbank 200A 3 pole model side by side & the handle ties are exactly the same, like they were from the same mold.

 

[jaggedben]

Nothing wrong with those Zinsco main breakers AFAIK.

 

[Elect117]

Nothing wrong with those Zinsco main breakers AFAIK.

I get NUMEROUS calls about insurance calling all Zinsco bad and people needing their mains replaced. I would just make sure the customer knows enough to call out their insurance.

 

[jaggedben]

I get NUMEROUS calls about insurance calling all Zinsco bad and people needing their mains replaced. I would just make sure the customer knows enough to call out their insurance.

Yeah, well, do those say 'Zinsco' on them?

 

[tortuga]

I get NUMEROUS calls about insurance calling all Zinsco bad and people needing their mains replaced. I would just make sure the customer knows enough to call out their insurance.

Same here, and I have never came across any real peer reviewed published research that all Zinsco are bad, just hype up by 'home inspectors'.
I have herd some anecdotal experiences where they don't trip but thats all.

 

[kec]

Welcome to the nightmare!
Below is an example of an installation in 2020 when no equipment was available with sectioned disconnects per 230.70 View attachment 2573309

Does your Poco allow an expansion fitting at meter instead of a slip fitting?

 

[shortcircuit2]

Yes a fitting to allow for settlement

 

[shortcircuit2]

Below is a RONK Class 320 Meter/Main with Siemens 200-amp Breakers

 

[hillbilly1]

Below is a RONK Class 320 Meter/Main with Siemens 200-amp Breakers

View attachment 2573566

I put in one of those last year, I didn’t like the small neutral and ground lugs, and wasn’t enough of them. Especially if you install a spd.

 

[electrofelon]

Bet that thing was cheap