240.15 B 277/480 not listed?

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No mention of 277/480 volt circuits. Where would the application for this voltage be found? I've found thread references (from older code books) stating that it used to be listed here, but my 2014 school books or the the 2014 NEC does not say anything about it. Unless I'm missing something.
Some feedback would be greatly appreciated.

2014 Mike Holt Testing
 
Sounds like for 480/277 handle ties can only be used for a MWBC. Other 480/277 2-pole and 3-pole circuits would require a multi-pole breaker.
 
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Read it carefully.

(B)(1) allows use of handle ties where line to neutral loads are supplied - doesn't mention voltage.

(B)(2) allows use of handle ties for single phase line to line loads - for single pole breakers rated 120/240 volts - you won't be using those breakers on any application over 120 volts to neutral or you have other violations related to that usage.

(B)(3) allows use of handle ties on two and three phase systems - if breakers are rated 120/240 volts, if the system has a grounded neutral point, and voltage doesn't exceed 120 volts to ground.

Between all those, and if you have a 277/480 system, you are only allowed to use handle ties on single pole breakers for multiwire circuits supplying only line to neutral loads. (B)(1) permits it. The other items have conditions that can't be met with a 277/480 volt system.

277 volt lighting would be about the most common application out there that might use handle ties on such systems.
 
Ok ok ok I'm getting the B1, but what about for 480 applications? Line to Line? Conditions for 480?

And are handle ties and a factory 2 pole/3 pole breaker different things?
Handle ties you add?
Factory 2 or 3 pole breaker already have them attached?

Forgive the novice questions.....
 
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Ok ok ok I'm getting the B1, but what about for 480 applications? Line to Line?
Can't supply a 480 volt (line to line) load under (B)(1), has to be line to neutral loads. I suppose you could supply a load that is 480 volts line to neutral - but a system with that voltage is not common, and would be about 830 volts phase to phase if a wye system - getting into over 600 volts gear being involved if you would have such a system.

And are handle ties and a factory 2 pole/3 pole breaker different things?
Handle ties you add?
Factory 2 or 3 pole breaker already have them attached?

Forgive the novice questions.....
Yes. Can be deceiving with some of them as their two and three pole units do have a tie bar across three handles - but a big difference between them and two or three single pole units with handle tie is that they also have an internal common trip feature - one pole trips they all do, and and you can't take them apart and have two or three single pole breakers - it is one unit with three handles and a tie between those handles.

Some like Square D's QO and NF breakers do only have one external handle and isn't as misleading. Same goes for many 480 and 600 volt rated breakers from nearly all manufacturers - they just go the cheap route on their 120/240 "miniature breakers" is why they put a tie bar on some of them - I guess.
 
Sorry for the misunderstanding on what I meant to write:

I understand B1 for 120 or 277 volt line to neutral loads. As well on the handle tie verse factory set up. You've explained it greatly!

Buuuuuuut where in the NEC does it reference to line to line (Ungrounded Conductors) above 240 or more precise 480 applications?
A different Location other than 240.15? Unless its (B) Circuit breakers shall open all ungrounded conductors manually and automatically.....

Would 210.4 C Exp 1 have anything to do with it?

I'll get it, don't get frustrated....
 
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Sorry for the misunderstanding on what I meant to write:

I understand B1 for 120 or 277 volt line to neutral loads. As well on the handle tie verse factory set up. You've explained it greatly!

Buuuuuuut where in the NEC does it reference to line to line (Ungrounded Conductors) above 240 or more precise 480 applications?
A different Location other than 240.15? Unless (B) is it? Would 210.4 C Exp 1 have anything to do with it?
It is addressed in (B)(2) and (B)(3).

(2) says handle ties are permitted for breakers rated 120/240 and supplying single phase loads. If you have a 480 volt single phase load you can't use a 120/240 volt breaker for other reasons -so 480 line to line single phase is out of the question because of the required breaker needed before you even consider handle tie.

(3) says it has to be a a system with a grounded neutral point and voltage to ground not exceeding 120 volts. This basically limits you to only using this allowance on 208/120 wye systems, or if you are in a place that does have two phase - it can be used on 120/240 volt 5 wire system - all phase conductors would be 120 volts to ground.
 
Ok I understand ya on that one too, Thanks!

Example: So if you have a 3 phase 480 motor, you can not use individual circuit breakers with handle ties, you must use a factory 3 pole breaker correct (internal common trip)? If I didn't get it right now, I'm done....

It seems as though 240.15 is mostly dealing with individual breakers with handle ties.... that's a question LOL

Hopefully that's the last question:D
 
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Ok I understand ya on that one too, Thanks!

Example: So if you have a 3 phase 480 motor, you can not use individual circuit breakers with handle ties, you must use a factory 3 pole breaker correct (internal common trip)?

It seems as though 240.15 is mostly dealing with individual breakers with handle ties.... that's a question LOL

Hopefully that's the last question:D
Yes, though not strictly limited to it - mostly only applies to your typical 120/240 volt "miniature" circuit breakers - like we see in "loadcenters". Only other thing that it commonly applies to is 277 volt lighting and some electric heating units. Other 277 volt items do exist but are considered to be sort of rare.
 
Woo Hoo! Thanks pal! I was getting nervous for a minute LOL

You've been a great help in clarifying everything up. And thanks for being patient...

Enjoy the Holiday!
Thank you, Houston.
 
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