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chris kennedy

chris kennedy

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Got a fast track build out and was supposed to use existing panel. Found this and have an idea how to fix it using factory mounting holes. I'm worried that if I try to check torque on the 3/0 it will break loose again.

Help please.
Thanks.

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HaskinsElectric said:
I would just move it over a bit and drill and tap new holes.
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If you look at the mounting holes I would be bonding the bar to the panel. First means of disco is remote. I was thinking I could use some PVC tubing and a fiber/plastic type washer.

Again the concern would be torquing the 3/0 and the bar bustin loose again.
 
The way I look at it, it's an isolated neural bar and there are no bonding issues so the only thing you need to worry about is keep your mounting method sturdy. I have mounted a neutral bar with a couple of self tapping screws ( making sure not to touch the metal and thus keeping neutral isolated ). If it makes you feel any better slap some gorilla glue behind it.

Let the criticisim begin. :grin: :grin:
 
josh greene said:
That is a crazy looking panel. Yea i agree i would just grill it out and tap it and just bolt back down. And with the looks of that panel, BE CARFUL :D :D
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This jurisdiction is small and if they see the repair could use 110.3(B).
 
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Oh, I thought there was a Bakelite or plastic holder of some sort.
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There used to be. Thats gone now. Meeting with the GC at 6:30 tomorrow morn. I hope he will say change the panel. Figured I'd run it by you folks as I don't use Sq/D and this could be common with an easy fix.
 
chris kennedy said:
There used to be. Thats gone now. Meeting with the GC at 6:30 tomorrow morn. I hope he will say change the panel. Figured I'd run it by you folks as I don't use Sq/D and this could be common with an easy fix.
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Which one will make you the most money? The easy fix or the new panel?
Fix it and if it breaks again they'll blame you.

I would try to sell them on a new panel with a ground bar. :)
 
personally i would try to sell him a new panel. maybe one of those cutler hammer retrofit panel kits would work in this situation. might be easier than ripping out the entire can
 
electricalperson said:
personally i would try to sell him a new panel. maybe one of those cutler hammer retrofit panel kits would work in this situation. might be easier than ripping out the entire can
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It's a surface mount. I would be cake. I am just trying to see if any of you have repaired this as a RFI to the EE could slow this down.
 
how old is that? I havent seen a QO with a neutral bar like that before. I wonder if a new interior would fit in that can.
 
I'm with growler. I'd isolate and self tap that bad boy back in place.

I have made PVC stand offs before.....don't remember the application. They cut square and clean with PVC cutters.
 
What will a new SqD QO can cost ya? You already have some breakers, and those two conduits are only going to get in the way...

Thumb - Clip - Pull - Pin - I'm Up! He sees me, I'm down.....
(Someone here knows what that means....)
Let the spoon fly and start over.
 
Yep - but my point was with only 28 days on a fast track - why bother waisting a half hour or more with a busted bar in a nearly empty panel that will a half hour to replace. And then build the infrastructure of a build out on a foundation of sand. If anything just grab another panel with a new buss bar and toss the rest - but why? Just put it in.... With a SqD the holes may even match - but then again this one looks like it has space issues.

Better yet - J-box that thing and nipple a new SqD panel next to it where those outlets are....
 
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chris kennedy said:
This jurisdiction is small and if they see the repair could use 110.3(B).
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Chris , I can't imagine why an inspector would use 110.3(B). This isn't a ground bar or a main panel neutral bar it is a neutral bar that is isolated from the can. If the bar is fixed to the can securely what be the problem.

I give you my blessing on your install.
 
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