3 Jman/hrs + 3 aprentice/hrs= 6 Jman/hrs?

[Mule]

Here's something I've been curious of. My aprentice is getting better and better. He's a first year aprentice, but is a fast learner. There are alot of task that he can now do as quick and as good as me.. example, he cant bend conduit as good, but he can install it as fast as I can, level, plumb, straight, bla bla..

In these cases, do you guys charge those task out at a Jman rate? Where Im coming from is somewhat toward flat rate pricing.

So as a example, if the books says it takes .8hr to change a ballast, and both of us are changing ballast all day, do some of you charge the unit price reguardless if a Jman or Aprentice performed the task? The resulting value would be the same to the customer IMO , IF the task were performed as effecient as the Jman.

Comments?

 

[Sparky555]

Is this work T&M or flat-rate/contract?

 

[quogueelectric]

I never want to be too high or too low. Dont want to cut my nose off to spite my face and dont want to leave anything on the table either. Bulls make money, bears make money, Pigs get slaughtered. Greed and fear are two very real day to day emotions for humans. Try to do the right thing every day and that is usually right down the middle.

 

[Lcdrwalker]

I have a flat rate for service work and that is charged no matter who does it although apprentices never work alone. In your OP I would say 6MHs.

 

[Mule]

Is this work T&M or flat-rate/contract?

This would be contract work, not T/M.......

 

[ptonsparky]

Bid jobs I would use the 6 manhours @ Jman rate.

 

[Sparky555]

This would be contract work, not T/M.......

The beauty of contract work is that it rewards experience and production. If you're charging a task rate I don't understand what you mean by charging JMan rate or apprentice rate. You're charging for the task. If the apprentice is producing at the same rate as a JMan, then yes, you're charging JMan rate for the apprentice. As you describe it, on some tasks it works that way & on others it doesn't.

 

[petersonra]

what difference does it really make how you set your prices. the customer only cares what you charge him, not how you divvy it up internally.

 

[220/221]

Same rate.

They may be over paying for him but they are underpaying for you.

 

[Rewire]

here is how I look at it the numbers have been changed to protect the foolish
JW @ 10Hr takes 1hr for job 1 x 10 =10
Ap @ 5hr takes 2 hrs for same job 2 x 5 =10
Ap @ 5 hr takes 1.5 for same job 1.5 x 5 =7.5
I bid all hours at jw rate that way if I need the jw on the job it is covered and if I can send an expierienced APP then I can make money