3-Phase Pump, Single phase feed via VFD

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Working on a project with a couple large pumps. I was told only single phase is available in this area via the existing transformer. The fountain designer is insistent on using a couple large 15 HP pumps and supply the 3-phase to the pumps via a VFD with a single phase input. Im assuming this would fall under article 455? More importantly im trying to figure out a load and MOCP on these. Does the below seem correct for 15 HP?

Load
15 HP pump @ 208/3 per table 430.250 would be 46.2 amps or 16.6 kW.

MOCP

16.6 kW @ 240/1 is about 69A * 1.5 = 103A or 110A CB wired with #4 Cu conductors which are good for 85A @ 75c along with a #6EG.


Would this be on the right track?
 
Working on a project with a couple large punly single phase is available in this area via the existing transformer. The fountain designer is insistent on using a couple large 15 HP pumps and supply the 3-phase to the pumps via a VFD with a single phase input. Im assuming this would fall under article 455? More importantly im trying to figure out a load and MOCP on these. Does the below seem correct for 15 HP?

Load
15 HP pump @ 208/3 per table 430.250 would be 46.2 amps or 16.6 kW.

MOCP

16.6 kW @ 240/1 is about 69A * 1.5 = 103A or 110A CB wired with #4 Cu conductors which are good for 85A @ 75c along with a #6EG.


Would this be on the right track?
Try 430.120

The vfd will have to be sized about double to run your 15 hp pump. So will everything else on the line side.
 
Just multiply the 3 phase current times the Sq. Rt. of 3, 1.732. So the 15HP 208V motor at 46.2A FLC 3 phase will draw 79.46A at 208V single phase.

However, the VFD must be sized larger than that. It's not just about the increased current, you also have a significant increase in DC bus ripple because you will be pulling current from only 4 diodes instead of 6, and the DC bus will drop all the way to 0V between ripples now. So the basic rule of thumb is to double the VFD amp rating compared to the motor amps, as long as the VFD is in a cool environment, i.e. 77 degrees F (25C). If you want to use the VFD at it's full temperature rating, ie 40C or 50C, the de-rate factor is usually 60-65%, so 2.5-2.8x the motor current. So let's break it down:

25C (77F) Cool dry environment for the VFD, minimum size = 93A, which for a 208V VFD will equate to a 30HP drive.
40C (104F) environment for the VFD, 60% de-rate, 2.5x FLC = 115A, which equates to a 40HP VFD
50C (122F) environment for the VFD (assuming VFD is rated for that), 65% de-rate, 2.85x FLC = 131A which equates to a 50HP drive (141A rating) **

MOCP on a 30HP or 40HP VFD is 350A, but you could get by with a 200A
MOCP on the 50HP drive is a 375A breaker, but you could get by with a 250A.

Now, you also must apply 430.122 to this, which says that the CONDUCTORS feeding to the VFD must be sized at 125% of the VFD max amp rating. So your conductors must be rated for 116A, 144A, or 176A respectively on the above sizings. That's one reason why you can't go too small with the breaker even though the motor load is much lower, because the conductors must be so much larger, meaning it's unlikely tou could get conductors rated for 176A, for example a 125AF breaker will not hold 2/0 wire.

It's not quite as simple as some VFD salesmen want to make it out to be.

** I need to clarify, this is if you do NOT know if the VFD is already designed to accept a single phase input, some are. For example AB drives, in the PF70/700, are already designed so that you can use a specific chart in the manual for sizing them for a single phase input where they have tested values lower than what I just showed above. If that's the case, then go with what the mfr. says.
 
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I wanted to apologize for not responding. I usually get an email notification when someone replies to a forum I started but for some reason it didnt send me one. May have went to my junk mail.

Jraef: Really appreciate the clear explanation and I will definitely take all that into consideration.


ptonsparky: Thanks for the code section. I forgot VFDs has their own code section.
 
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