3 Phase Service Balancing

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Samuel Petrie

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Abbotsford WI
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Electrician
We are currently working on an existing 600-amp 1 phase service; we are installing a new 600 amp 3-phase 480-volt service.
The utility doesn't know what the required maximum phase imbalance % is.
I'm trying to determine the number of transformers to install at the service point, as we are not being tasked with a complete rewiring of the facility at this time.
I'm curious if anyone has any good information to share on this subject.
 
Dsg319

Dsg319

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What kind of service are you seeking WYE or DELTA? Or is this what you are trying to figure out.
 
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Samuel Petrie

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Abbotsford WI
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Electrician
No I’m trying to figure out if I need to use 6 transformers or I can use 3 transformers. I have a 600 amp single phase panel board that’s existing with 6-200 amp branch breakers. These branch circuits will be very lightly used once we have the 480 volt 3 phase installed. Just trying to determine if we need 3 transformers (each feeding 2-200 amp circuits) or I have to do 6 1 for each.
 
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jaggedben

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This is confusing without a lot more info.

Are we to assume the existing service and panel is 120/240?

Do you have 240V loads that can't operate at 208V?

What is the purpose of switching to a 480V 3-phase service? Is it a wye service? Why not get a 208V service?

If your goal is to transform the 480V back to 120/240V for the existing panels, then there's no reason you need 6 transformers. It sounds like you could have 3 of double the rating, and balance the feeder breakers as best you can.

Also on terminology:
It doesn't sound like you are installing transformers at the service point. And it sounds like the 6 200A breakers are feeders, not branch circuits.
 
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Samuel Petrie

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Abbotsford WI
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Electrician
jaggedben said:
This is confusing without a lot more info.

Are we to assume the existing service and panel is 120/240?

Do you have 240V loads that can't operate at 208V?

What is the purpose of switching to a 480V 3-phase service? Is it a wye service? Why not get a 208V service?

If your goal is to transform the 480V back to 120/240V for the existing panels, then there's no reason you need 6 transformers. It sounds like you could have 3 of double the rating, and balance the feeder breakers as best you can.

Also on terminology:
It doesn't sound like you are installing transformers at the service point. And it sounds like the 6 200A breakers are feeders, not branch circuits.
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My mistake on terminology, your correct that the branch breakers would actually be feeder breakers. The main reason to not use 120/208 volts is the fact any 240 volt 1-phase existing circuits would then not be the correct size depending on each circuit. We are attempting to make this as clean as possible.

The reason to make it 480 3-phase is the utility required it be switched out in order to add a new service for a different building at the same location.
When we ordered all the gear (minus transformers), there was to be a fair amount of load still on this old service (all 240 1-phase).
As the project has progressed along for various reasons all the major loads have been moved to a j
 
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winnie

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Springfield, MA, USA
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Electric motor research
If your goal is to maximally balance your 6 circuits of 120/240V single phase loads on your new 480V 3 phase service, then you would need 3 single phase 480:120/240 transformers.

I don't see how using 6 separate transformers for each of your single phase loads would improve balance.

However keep in mind that the various 200A single phase loads may not be equivalent.

Jon
 
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