Have a client that wants track and a chandalier in their closet, 410.8(C) says no pendants, to me this means no hanging fixtures. In 410.4(D) they actually include track, chord, chain, and cable hung fixtures in their description of what we can install. Have I read to much into 410.8(C) can't say I have ever seen a chandalier with a completly enclosed lamp, but they might exist.
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bradleyelectric
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Is the room a closet or can we call it something else. I forget what my cousin calls her closet, but I think its a fancy french name. It has more than 1 area to it, the interior walls in the room are I believe 7.5'. It has a cathedral ceiling so the interior walls don't go all the way to the ceiling, and has a hanging fixture right in the middle of it.
stickboy1375
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eds said:
IMO, its a code violation, and with the new 2008 definition of a clothes closet its pretty hard to get out of it... Do I think it makes sense in the picture, absolutely not...
bradleyelectric
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Do I think it makes sense to have a closet that size? no. Do I think it should be a violation to have that fixture where it is? no
wirebender
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I'd call that a dressing room, not a closet.
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wirebender said:
Pretty hard with the new 2008 definition....
Clothes Closet. A non-habitable room or space intended primarily for storage garments and apparel.
stickboy1375
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bradleyelectric said:
If you own the clothes to fill it, it makes perfect sense.
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stickboy1375 said:
owning that many cloths is the part that doesn't make sense to me.
frankft2000
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Put a little bench in that room, that would make it a habitable room. I beleive the intent of this code section is for the regular small closets where combustable materials could come in contact with a light. If you have a 100 square foot closet with a light in the middle, yes it may be a "closet" but what are the chances of something coming in contact with the fixture. On the flip side, you could install a light 6 inches from a curtin in a bedroom, that would me more unsafe, but there is nothing in the NEC prohibiting it. Luckly around here the inspectors go with the intent of the code, not to the letter of it. AHJ should be the ones that make that call.
stickboy1375
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bradleyelectric said:
Yeah, I say the same thing about a big house, but if money was no object I would be singing a different tune...
wirebender
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stickboy1375 said:
How would a room that size be considered non-habitable?
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eds said:
Your right , I had a client useing a picture from a magazine that didn't have any kitchen outlets on the counter, none. She didn't wan't any either. Said she didn't cook any way. The kitchen was just for looks. We had to mount them under the top cabinets.
buckofdurham said:
A couple houses I've wired have ended up in magazine spreads. It amazed me what they edit out of the images. They must Photoshop every image.
I go through and look, and say, "I KNOW there's switches there, and what happened to the light fixture that's THERE?" And there is not a single device shown in any of the kitchen shots.
The owner that in the home now may make an office out of the closet, but when and if, they sell the home the new owners will fill it to the ceiling with bedding material and other fire starting material, It would not be the first time we were called to estimate fire damage, where a closet filled with bedding and had a open lamp, material went up in flames.
One recent one in town was in october, the owners went out for dinner, only to come home, to a street full of fire trucks, the owner said to us, there should be a law not to allow an open light in a closet!
One recent one in town was in october, the owners went out for dinner, only to come home, to a street full of fire trucks, the owner said to us, there should be a law not to allow an open light in a closet!
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stickboy1375
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wirebender said:
How would it NOT meet the 2008 definition?
Clothes Closet. A non-habitable room or space intended primarily for storage garments and apparel.
also, are you going to install a smoke and wire the required receptacles in this non closet?
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